Summoning magic skill-ups and the rate of which we are getting them.

[Nawesemo]

Meh... I still don't get it,

I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.

Or, we'd be pissed that the grind to 99 was insane, and happy our skills stayed fairly close to where they should be for our levels.

In either case we are happier than we would be otherwise, I don't think I'd play as much as I do if everything was just ... simple and lacked any time, effort or whatever... pathetic.. sure but still it's why alot of us play, to keep up with the jones's yeah? and it wasn't ever the destination no? but the Journey?

So yeah.. skilling sucks but it's better than being handed a 99 smn and feeling no accomplishment for it?

(my test failed misserablly I got on smn @ 20 chilled with the wife, seen modest skill ups (every other blood pact thingy)... we Hooked up with a dude in the dunes, made our way to gusen and after that I started rambling on and on about leveling in aby... vs trying to get to 99 the ancient way to our new buddy. or something like that. so I did see some skill ups, and they came alot quicker than they used to so yeah.... I'm not seeing the grip.)

[Arcon]

Let me repeat myself.

There's absolutely no need. I read everything you said and I understood it. You're wrong, and here's why:

You're video is not going to change what I experienced in the last 3 weeks or need to tell me a worm might give you a .XX after 10-20 Threnodies after 280 skill.

First of all, I did mean to cap, not to 280. I only said I skilled healing on PLD to ~90 cap in a few hours. Secondly, skilling does not get magically worse after 280. There is no tier you break into where skilling up starts to be shitty. It simply gets slower the closer you come to cap, and it's a gradual decrease. Thirdly, nowhere did you mention skilling up. You mentioned being in EXP/merit parties and doing VW and whatever else you think helped, but that's not skilling. That's just randomly getting skills here and there. And there's a huge difference in that.

I'm not sure if you knew this (it's common knowledge, I just can't tell from your post), but you get skills a lot faster from casting on NPCs instead of players. Every cast you spend buffing (which is a majority of what a BRD does in any group scenario) is time wasted for skill-up purposes, hence when you're meriting, doing VW or certain LS events you're not skilling up. I mentioned worms, because they serve a purpose, because skilling on them is far more preferable to anything else you could be doing if you want to increase your skill levels.

And finally, I offered the video because it would be strong evidence to what I'm saying is correct. I know it's not gonna change your experiences, but I'm saying your experiences are not relevant to the skill-up discussion, because you weren't skilling up. Fact is, you can skill up BRD skills very quickly (and I'll post some evidence for that). Fact is, you can't do the same on SMN (I suppose I could post evidence for that, but it would be very long and messy, it's hard to show the absence of something like this). This discrepancy is the entire crux of this discussion. That's why we want SE to adjust the skillup mechanics for the few jobs/skills that were left behind.

[Rambus]

casting brd spells on npcs?

and I know skill gains go slower as you get closer to cap but after 280 that was the point it got intolerable as brd. Like others pointed out skill in your main thing really should come naturally and I said I spammed things on high level mobs. I do not know for sure but most VW nms are higher level then worms in abyssea right? or abyssea nms for seals?

How is spamming Threnodies on things not skilling up as you do things? -.-

I told you after 280 WHILE getting merits, I spammed Threnodies on worms and after 1-2 full cycles it takes for a skill up gain, 0.x not a full point, this is 8-16 casts. It is the same for vw nms just about though when I did that to abyssea mobs i was a bit lower so might been a bit faster then now just doing the nms.

Meh... I still don't get it,

I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.

Or, we'd be pissed that the grind to 99 was insane, and happy our skills stayed fairly close to where they should be for our levels.

In either case we are happier than we would be otherwise, I don't think I'd play as much as I do if everything was just ... simple and lacked any time, effort or whatever... pathetic.. sure but still it's why alot of us play, to keep up with the jones's yeah? and it wasn't ever the destination no? but the Journey?

So yeah.. skilling sucks but it's better than being handed a 99 smn and feeling no accomplishment for it?

(my test failed misserablly I got on smn @ 20 chilled with the wife, seen modest skill ups (every other blood pact thingy)... we Hooked up with a dude in the dunes, made our way to gusen and after that I started rambling on and on about leveling in aby... vs trying to get to 99 the ancient way to our new buddy. or something like that. so I did see some skill ups, and they came alot quicker than they used to so yeah.... I'm not seeing the grip.)

Was never happy with the hand me exp. If common mobs die 5-20 seconds and nms die in 30 seconds to 10 minutes then skill rate needs to be made faster.

The rate of skill ups went along with how you progress in the game when cap is 75, ever since abyssea came, making the game 80+ the that was no longer true. Like i said before only skills where it did not fit that rule back then was shield (before the change) parry, and guard. Now evade, parry and guard may be like that (unless maybe being thf for everything, not sure. I might be wrong with evade but the way things are i am just guessing that might be slow.

What is the point of a skill up grind? like i said earlier I would rather toss out cures more then juggle that with spaming Threnodies.

*In other words i be happier if we kept the old system to 99 then this fast exp, slow skill gains. That is like tricking people that they do not have to grind anything anymore.

I did SMN in the new 75 though so it was easier be close at cap ( got 75 smn sometime between ATU and before level sync so i got the skill up as you bp. I think might of been before the separation of ward and attack though, not sure.)

My point is just that skilling up is too slow for the times for a lot of skills with how the game is now. I had no problem with skill gains at 75 but now i do at 99, wonder why that is .... mobs dieing to fast could be the issue even the harder nms now don't like long, live vw nms is like 5 mintues. I know it is always less then 10 because I have to wait on Nightingale, Troubadour, and Marcato recasts.

That is the other thing when those are up one VW mob it is play 4 songs once ( 2 melee and 2 for mage) sometimes it is just 2 like hug blob thing then i can just spam Threnodies for about 7 minutes.

[Karbuncle]

Meh... I still don't get it,

Most don't friend.

I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.

Or, we'd be pissed that the grind to 99 was insane, and happy our skills stayed fairly close to where they should be for our levels.

Cause Being able to hit 99, and Skill up in less than 3 weeks would be Blasphemous.

In either case we are happier than we would be otherwise, I don't think I'd play as much as I do if everything was just ... simple and lacked any time, effort or whatever... pathetic.. sure but still it's why alot of us play, to keep up with the jones's yeah? and it wasn't ever the destination no? but the Journey?

This is where its "To each his own". I prefer the Journey to be doing content with friends, being useful, and having fun. Not sitting in An abyssea zone, alone, spamming Bloodpacts on a bunch of fodder mobs hoping to see a 0.1 fly by.

I've never thought of skilling up as exciting content to keep me playing, only a mindless grind. But, As i opened with, This is where its "To each his own"...

I don't mind having to skill up, It just shouldn't be so very drawn out. I actually get to play SMN every so often, VW, and ADL, And i've been 99 SMN since the cap... Yet my skill still sits a little under 400, Which is well from cap. I spam BP's at those events like no ones ever seen, and I'll be lucky to see a 0.1 in all 6 VW fights, Or even in the entirety of the 2 hours at ADL.

It. Is. Ridiculous.

So yeah.. skilling sucks but it's better than being handed a 99 smn and feeling no accomplishment for it?

You're already handed a 99 SMN in most cases, With how quick Exp Is. I felt accomplished at 75 with a Maat's cap, Before Abyssea exp, That accomplishment? Dead now. I don't walk around like SE p*ssed in my cheerios either. IN the same light, I feel Skilling up Defensive/Non-Offensive Magics should be greatly adjusted and to split with people who did it the old way.

They can sit in linkshell babbling about the old days of HNM and how they had to walk to Dragon's Aery up hill both ways to camp Fafnir and skilled up their Guard on Behemoth.

(my test failed misserablly I got on smn @ 20 chilled with the wife, seen modest skill ups (every other blood pact thingy)... we Hooked up with a dude in the dunes, made our way to gusen and after that I started rambling on and on about leveling in aby... vs trying to get to 99 the ancient way to our new buddy. or something like that. so I did see some skill ups, and they came alot quicker than they used to so yeah.... I'm not seeing the grip.)

Skilling up under 200 skill is so easy a trained monkey could do it, 200+, or more specifically 250~ or so is where it begins to get really bad. Come back when you get there.

[Rambus]

Said that ^ only she said it better so i am just saying I hit like for the post and agree to it.

funny how she said around 250 and i said around 280 for my brd skills. I know it is not the same though as brd is a bit easier because of being able cast more for no mp but the rates still feel dead after that point.

But ya I had maaaats cap befor abyssea yada yada agreeing with how abyssea is hand me exp where before there was more commutation and meeting people not this chronic afk thing... ect etc just say agree ^

[Camiie]

Meh... I still don't get it,

I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.

Even when XP was much harder to come by, Summoning Magic skillups never even remotely kept up with XP gain. It's always been a problem and it's never been addressed. It's just much more pronounced now. You can work your fingers to the bone and still not see appreciable progress. When people are putting forth time and effort to skillup and still not getting anywhere, that's a problem.

[Arcon]

I know it is not the same though as brd is a bit easier because of being able cast more for no mp but the rates still feel dead after that point.

BRD can cast on NPCs and thus get massively faster skill-ups. Casting on NPCs gives substantially faster skill-up rates. See everything I said in my last two posts. SMN can use BPs on NPCs, but that only works twice in 45 seconds (if you're lucky), while BRD can do it indefinitely every 4 seconds or so.

But ya I had maaaats cap befor abyssea yada yada agreeing with how abyssea is hand me exp where before there was more commutation and meeting people not this chronic afk thing... ect etc just say agree ^

Only they never said that. It seems you didn't quite understand what they meant in the first place.

[Rambus]

really?

You're already handed a 99 SMN in most cases, With how quick Exp Is. I felt accomplished at 75 with a Maat's cap, Before Abyssea exp, That accomplishment? Dead now. I don't walk around like SE p*ssed in my cheerios either. IN the same light, I feel Skilling up Defensive/Non-Offensive Magics should be greatly adjusted and to split with people who did it the old way.

and I did the same^

anyways can you please tell me how brd casts on npcs? or where is your lieing proof that brd is easy past 280? because this is the start of week 4 of spaming Threnodies on NMs and not capped in anything yet.

[Arcon]

really?

and I did the same^

You even quoted and bolded the very same part that's different to what you said:

I don't walk around like SE p*ssed in my cheerios either. IN the same light, I feel Skilling up Defensive/Non-Offensive Magics should be greatly adjusted and to split with people who did it the old way.

You do walk around as if SE pissed in your cheerios.

anyways can you please tell me how brd casts on npcs?

Why should I tell you? You answered it yourself one sentence later:

because this is the start of week 4 of spaming Threnodies on NMs and not capped in anything yet.

A NM is an NPC. NPC means non-player character. So anything that isn't another real player is an NPC. I didn't say mobs, because magic is more effective when cast on any NPC. For example, casting buffs on Besieged generals will give higher skill-up rates than casting buffs on PCs (other players or yourself).

or where is your lieing proof that brd is easy past 280?

I said I'll post it when I do it. I'm not going out of my way and adjust my schedule to prove something to some random guy on the forums whose rants don't show any signs of an open mind.

[Rambus]

Well I do not know if this is a modern slang but when I quit NPCs where those people that help you fight, like the campaign battle tarutarus. "A SCH can AOE protect on NPCs" and so on

You do walk around as if SE pissed in your cheerios.

that is your view on me because you do not like me calling you a lier. always funny seeing 'elite' people lie vs real experience.

just because in your little world playing for 72 hours straight to skill up something to cap is reasonable does not mean it is reasonable for others.

Like I said before to your first comment abyssea worms to cap was not cutting it, i tried that and got 60 merits in the process. (I accepted a 'party' twice just for the sake of skilling) I think i even stayed the first one even though i had 30/30 and 9999 points because exp is handed to you these days lol.

I give Troubadour and nightingale buffs then found a worm no one was killing and spam Threnodies. Was that too hard of a concept to understand? that i just did not just sit there and spam Threnodies solo? I did it while getting exp? I guess i tried to skill up wrong because i did not do it during a new moon *rolls eyes*