Pet th - Just hear me out

[Nawesemo]

BLM doesn't have any problems subbing THF because you can still easily keep yourself alive and maintain massive damage output

hehehehehhe...

Nawesemo casts Break on the Vangard protector
Nawesemo casts Thunder 5 on the Vangard Protector
the Vangard Protector takes 3485 points of damage
the Vangard Protector uses Chainspell
The Vangard Protector starts casting Silence
Nawesemo starts casting Stun
The Vangard Protector casts silence
Nawesemo is Silenced.
The Vangard Protector starts casting Thunder III
The Vangard Protector casts Thunder III
Nawesemo uses a Remedy
Nawesemo takes 340 points of damage
The Vangard Protector starts casting Fire III
Nawesemo starts casting sleep
the Vangard Protector casts Fire III
Nawesemo takes 240 points of damage.
Nawesemo casts sleep
The vangard Protector is asleep.
Nawesemo Uses Manawell
Nawesemo starts casting comet
Nawesemo casts Comet.
The Vangard Protector takes 4000 points of damage.

lol .... I could pull it of no sweat *gulp

[Caketime]

:/ if i'm /thf um... lol I did alot more than gimp my first hit.

Gotta remember bub we're talking about thf 3 on a pet, not what you have today, ... I can live with that, becauase it's fair'er than what you want ... thf 3 on a pet. (or thf 3 on an shiruken for nin, or thf 3 on pebbles for blm, or thf 3 attached to thunder 5.. etc).

If Ninja shurikens were an integral part of the Ninja's play mechanics (I'd say Jutsu is moreso than shurikens) and having TH made sense for the job, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Same with your other examples, I wouldn't be opposed to what you're suggesting as long as it makes sense for the job. THF pets having TH makes sense in that the developers gave pets jobs and traits to go along with those jobs, for BLU it makes sense that they can get as much TH as they have due to their ability to change their job traits with spell sets. When this problem came up BLU was complained about too, but BST pets got the adjustment. Yuly is inferior to Falcorr in every category, by the way. The nerf to TH has made her even more niche than before. Absolutely no reason to use her unless you're fighting single targets with piss accuracy. Even then, Falcorr still outclasses her. She's lost her place among our pets for anything even halfway serious.

Right now.... yeah sure, blu skrew's you over in the "we get more thf than youuuu ne ner ne ner ne ner" department. but that's blu... you want to put bst on that same special tier that gets to get thf 3 without /thf. I don't agree with that. Bst has it well enough as it is.

Hi I'm a BST, we're highly dependant on farming for EVERYTHING our job uses, the nerf to our pets has only served to force us to spend more time farming and that's not helping anyone. It certainly doesn't help the chefs I offload ingredients to either. I don't think my job should be special, but our pets having TH never hurt anybody until Dynamis got revamped and the tears began to flow. It sucks, bro.

And just stop with the "i have to gimp myself to use yuly" arguement... it just sounds dumb. Its your job to use beast pets, it's what you do, you're not gimping yourself by choosing what pet to use, your making a decision based on what best suits your needs. Your not gimping anything, your gearing for the task at hand, war's change sets for ws, becuase they are optimal for that ws, there are trade offs, for diffrent things.. you know like thf. ... or /dnc for safety, or .. /war for dmg output.. every bst who isn't /war is gimping themselves? THEY'RE NOT DOING THE MAX DMG THEY CAN must be a gimp.... NO... lol it's a decision... just like why you decide to play bst vs. blm, rdm, blu, dnc, smn. and when you decide to /thf or not. You are just like zomg!!! the rest of us, who "can" use a pet who has a thf trait. Be happy you get that.

You can't compare a WAR pressing a button and performing a single action to a BST summoning a pet that is less efficient than literally any of our other choices and using it for the full duration. That's 2 hours of changing my playstyle vs. two buttons for the WAR. I'm not saying it's unfair, but the comparison just doesn't work. Also like I said earlier, we don't have nearly as much choice in subs without taking a severe hit to survivability. Wild Carrot isn't a solution either, and Snarl requires me to be up my pet's ass to use now due to the great river of tears. That alone forces me to stay right next to my pet instead of snagging another mob to add to the collection, forcing my efficiency even further down.

Giving thf 3 to a pet puts bst in a special class, I don't like it, don't want it to happen.

Being an "odd" job, BST has never been accepted into group content except with other BST, we are pariahs by design. Jobs like ours need to be able to function in the game just as well as other jobs, except we have no real role in a group, so we get pets to shore up our glaring flaws. TH3 never made me special, it just made me more capable of functioning outside of group content without forcing me to farm for even longer periods. Apparently that twists the community's collective panties for some reason. How dare we have something nice, it's so unfair to everyone except for the jobs that can wear the sash and take few penalties for subbing THF.

Sure if you wanna ... go ahead and level blm, it's no where near efficent though .. it's more like the fat kid oozing sweets off his fingertips and still maw'ing down on chocolates (mp efficency is poo), ... but I don't think you'll like it. (there now i said it so it makes your post a little more ... right)

I wasn't serious, I'm not a fan of the job. It rocks, but it's just not my tankard of grog. I also don't feel like collecting even more MAB+ gear in addition to building a goat set and boring my way through getting the accessories for it. That goes without mentioning scroll quests and the time investment involved with those. It's all worth it, but I'd rather be BST, it fits my playstyle and personality better. I'm rather shy around people, so I'm OK with not getting tells for groups, and I'd rather get my gear on my own because I am able to do so. I never liked the idea of gathering 17 other people to get items for me, it's one of the things that never made any sense that this game is full of, but it is what it is.

[SNK]

Hi I'm a BST, we're highly dependant on farming for EVERYTHING our job uses, the nerf to our pets has only served to force us to spend more time farming and that's not helping anyone. It certainly doesn't help the chefs I offload ingredients to either. I don't think my job should be special, but our pets having TH never hurt anybody until Dynamis got revamped and the tears began to flow. It sucks, bro.

Hate to remind you but back in the day our pets didn't have TH then either and even worse jug pets outright sucked and were way overpriced in terms of utility. As far as farming everything my job uses well.. I dunno what to tell you. I had other jobs lined up to farm crap where I needed seals/gear which I could obtain easier with friends.

I like my BST but I don't depend on the TH as much as some people do. Dipper is still a great pet regardless of how much it got nerfed. It's cheap, highly evasive and hits pretty hard for a small ass bug.

[deces]

I'm still shocked that ranger can get treasure hunter 10.

[Caketime]

Hate to remind you but back in the day our pets didn't have TH then either and even worse jug pets outright sucked and were way overpriced in terms of utility. As far as farming everything my job uses well.. I dunno what to tell you. I had other jobs lined up to farm crap where I needed seals/gear which I could obtain easier with friends.

You don't have to remind me, this job has come a long way. Farming ingredients is my choice as well, it's either that or do events for rare drops to sell, both are just a means to the same end.

I like my BST but I don't depend on the TH as much as some people do. Dipper is still a great pet regardless of how much it got nerfed. It's cheap, highly evasive and hits pretty hard for a small ass bug.

I've taken a shine to Silas over the last few days. We need more Frog pets.

[yankeestom]

Dynamis
BST
TH
Behavior
No matter how simple you try to make this, the problem is right there in 4 word's. The job has pretty much suffer in the same way RDM has. Individual's took it to a new level. And it got snuff under the flag of balance. Personally, I just shake my head. While the nerf balance fix the dev's team problem with the issue. It still leave's many ppl standing around waiting for re-spawn's in a time event where every second count's. Due mostly to BST rounding up everything they come across and killing it in pack's. The situation turn's players against player, and has made BST one of the most hated job classes too see in Dynamis. Can you blame them? No, their just doing what they can to make gil and build there relic.

My apologies for the derail. But the issue goes beyond the TH nerf. And trying to get it back.

For the love of Christ, back away from the apostrophe key. Plural words will require apostrophes about the same time as BST will get Pet: TH+ gear.

[SNK]

I've taken a shine to Silas over the last few days. We need more Frog pets.

It's an ok pet but not one of my favorites. When I'm cleaving *Yes I said cleaving* I use LuckyLulu since he's an amazing damage dealing pet when soloing. For mass pulls where you want to be able to pull hate off you then Dipper is a 100% win for this.

Falcorr is solid and I like his TP moves but compared to the two TH pets, I enjoy Dipper slightly more.

[Caketime]

I use Lulu for trials, she's made my TP Axe so much easier to do, and she's not too bad for weather trials either. Whirl Claws gets the job done quite nicely. I tried out Silas on Balaur using Plaguebringer/Apoc/Ducal Guard and he did really well, I didn't have to ride Reward and was able to melee without worrying, only turning when he put up spikes and waiting for a Dispel from my BLU buddy. He seemed to take the magic damage pretty well, so I'm going to keep using him for little fun things like Abby NM camping for friends.

[Aldersyde]

It's an ok pet but not one of my favorites. When I'm cleaving *Yes I said cleaving* I use LuckyLulu since he's an amazing damage dealing pet when soloing. For mass pulls where you want to be able to pull hate off you then Dipper is a 100% win for this.

Falcorr is solid and I like his TP moves but compared to the two TH pets, I enjoy Dipper slightly more.

I was intrigued by this, so I went and tried Lulu in Abyssea-Kon with RR/MC/DG on efts (because they link). It went ok but I was wondering what atmas you use when you do it. Do you just let Lulu whittle them down or do help out with damage with a dagger AoE ws?

[Lyberty]

People, please if you want to farm and have TH there is what you are supposed to do: mog house->change jobs-> THF.
And if you still insist to have TH on you on BST,well you can always sub THF for it, the reason I say this is because THF is THE farming job in FF, so you either accept it or not but SE wont be giving BSTs pets a higher tier TH, in my opinion pets shouldnt even have TH, but thats just me... The reason I say this is because I have never seen a THF asking for a pet so they could do it better/faster.