Blue mage treasure hunter trait is too overpowered

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yea, pet TH+1 + sash = TH2 same as what blu has with trait and sash, same as what bst would have with pet trait and pet TH gear.

Besides, i wasnt actually being serious, its just the way OP was talking about pet TH gear made it sound like they wanted it BST only, like bst is the only job that has a pet.

No, I just meant would you not have:

+1 for you
+1 for your pet

so only TH+1? Not sure how TH works. I know you get whatever is the highest the party member / pet has. In SMN case it'd be +1 where as BST would be +2 for pets natural and Pet: Treasure hunter +1. Though as I said, I could be wrong.

Personally I'd love a piece like:

Assistant's Ring
Pet: Treasure Hunter +1 "Haste" +1%
BST DRG PUP SMN

In general, more gear specifically for BST DRG PUP and SMN with pet buffs would be really good.

[Thorbean]

The last few day's I've been experimenting with chasing magic stagger as BLU/RDM. It's not "completely terrible" but can get extremely frustrating with the frequency of unlucky streaks. (often ~40-50 casts and getting nothing). The only redeeming part about it is you get the entire area to yourself and don't have to put up with stupid perle BST's.

Generally rotating dia > head butt > dia while facing the mob, with occasional hits hapening between casts. Even with essentially no wait between casts, i would still have to turn and switch to dia only to get a stagger on ~70-75% of the targets. I had auto-refresh trait set, AF3+2 body, battery charge and serps set equipped for stagger (7/tick total).
After stagger i just switch to reular hands/feet for the kill if it happened early. I generally ended up killing it with head butt as most of the time, the target was around 1% hp by the time i actually got the stagger... Never had MP issues, even getting riddled occassionally wasn't a problem and convert every half hour meant no down time. Once or twice i got stagger with dream flower on adds and a quick CA>Savage Blade> Goblin Rush took care of it and let me get back to dia spam. Certainly not a fun 4 hours (I enter just before JP midnight for 2 runs back to back every 2 days).

I'd say the chance for magic stagger should least double what it is currently to come anywhare close to /DNC chasing JA.
It would also spread the players out abit and curb the problem of 15-20 people all chasing the same stagger.

Same story with WS, it's just not really viable, spamming RLB, I'd find myself having to pull another mob just to TP on before i actually got a stagger and often end up killing before.

Everyone shouldn't be forced to /DNC to perform well in dyna. Magic/WS stagger really needs looked at. I'm a "Blue Mage" not a Blue dancer. I should be best off chasing magic stagger, but that's just not the case.

Having TH trait was certainly not overpowered in this instance...

[tyrantsyn]

Did the same on RDM the other night ago, it's so frustrating. By the time it takes me to proc one mob with magic. Another player on JA's could have done 2 to 3 mob's. I can Under stand thing's could become problematic do to aoe spell's. But at this point I'd rather deal with the unknown than what we have to deal with now.

[Leonardus]

Way too many people in this thread twisting Malthar's original argument.

He was making the point that SE wants a strict order for TH, which blu is breaking via the augmented Tarutaru Sash. Blu was breaking this order before SE announced their TH rules, just as BST was. BST was adjusted.

Someone said SE wasn't counting gear. Jugs are an equipped ammo and SE treats them very much as ammunition ("Firepower") for BST.

Another guy was suggesting hippos and bugs aren't "historically" thieves. I'm not sure how this is relevant to FFXI, because in Vana'diel, many hippogryphs and virtually all ladybugs are indeed THFs. Mobs possess the traits of their job. Jugpets are mobs. So the BASE of a jugpet before SE gives them special characteristics, is indeed that of a wild mob. This stuff has been tested.

I'm not crying for SE to do this, but I think the 'fair' solution is to add one item for BST with TH+1. Make it the waist (So you'll sacrifice a Moepapa Stone or Twilight Sash). They could remove the sash's augment altogether which would bring order to the TH job chart, but system-wise I'm not sure if that's possible. Pretty rough situation.

As for other pet jobs...there's no reason SE can't be creative in that department, but what avatars are technically THF? (I honestly don't know. Are they blms?) We'd need a SMN/PUP sash with Pet: TH+2 on it, correct? Well, should all jobs be able to do this, pet or not?

Quite a mess. I don't see SE acting on it, to be honest.

[scaevola]

Make it the waist (So you'll sacrifice a Moepapa Stone or Twilight Sash).

knock it off

[Thorbean]

I was under the impression that only the main target can be staggered by an AoE. Still, spamming -ga's isn't gonna be near as effective as /DNC on JA even if you could hold and survive 10-15 mobs at a time.

JA could be lowered 5-10%, magic raised by a substantial amount and WS raised by maybe 10% IMO to bring it a bit closer together. Main target only for -ga's.

[Nawesemo]

I was under the impression that only the main target can be staggered by an AoE. Still, spamming -ga's isn't gonna be near as effective as /DNC on JA even if you could hold and survive 10-15 mobs at a time.

JA could be lowered 5-10%, magic raised by a substantial amount and WS raised by maybe 10% IMO to bring it a bit closer together. Main target only for -ga's.

It was pretty chotic, and i didn't record it but im pretty sure anything hit by aoe can proc, dnc linked everything from top of the ah, down to the bridge in windy, I fired off a sleepga on the avatar, and one of the blm yags went red !!, our thf accidently went /nin, so I can't be sure, but I was targeting the avatar....

[tyrantsyn]

Way too many people in this thread twisting Malthar's original argument.

He was making the point that SE wants a strict order for TH, which blu is breaking via the augmented Tarutaru Sash. Blu was breaking this order before SE announced their TH rules, just as BST was. BST was adjusted.

More than likely, they just didn't take the time to research it before answering the question. Which is really nothing new for Dev's or for ppl posting here.

On top of that, the OP pretty much spell's it out in the first 2 to 3 page's. If they have this and I only have that. Give me this so I can be in the order you claim I was in. And the way he came off just sounded selfish and self righteous.

Honestly I don't think most ppl would care if they got the gear. Their just tired of zone's full of dead mob's during preferred proc time's due to over aggressive BST.

[Tennotsukai]

If there was a thumbs down or dislike button I would have used it for this forum post. It's really bad SE likes to nerf. We should really only be asking for the opposite of a nerf like a piece of gear for BST that offers the pet TH or something.

[Nawesemo]

If there was a thumbs down or dislike button I would have used it for this forum post. It's really bad SE likes to nerf. We should really only be asking for the opposite of a nerf like a piece of gear for BST that offers the pet TH or something.

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