Pet th - Just hear me out

[Nawesemo]

SO for a recap here...

1) TH3 nerf made BSTs annoyed and did nothing for other jobs
2) Farming with DNC/000 and another character as a duo yields better profits than soloing on BST (irrelevant)
3) No one has a valid reason for removing TH3 from BST pets or adding it to any other jobs random abilites other than "If I can't why should you?"

. Fixed that for ya.

[FrankReynolds]

. Fixed that for ya.

Flawed logic is flawed. Saying no job can have an ability that my favorite job doesn't have is not a valid argument for anything.

You have absolutely no stake in this discussion and no valid arguments to make. Grats on your Post +1 posts though.

[Arcon]

1) TH3 nerf made BSTs annoyed and did nothing for other jobs

It made some other jobs happy, even if it didn't help them. That's just as good a reason for it as annoying BST is a reason against it.

3) No one has a valid reason for removing TH3 from BST pets other than "Cuz I just don't like it"

Which isn't an invalid reason, because SE tries to do what people like, and if most people dislike it, it may well count as a reason for them. Aside from that, here's another reasons: SE decided that BST shouldn't rank in the list for TH effectiveness, and they're trying to keep the game in line with that plan.

Here's two of my reasons (unrelated to the reasons above, which may apply to SE's thinking):
1. TH is extremely powerful. No job (including THF) should be able to get it that high. What someone else said before makes a lot of sense, to make the game rely less on TH by increasing the overall drop rate and make TH give minor boosts instead. However, until that happens, it's pointless to give BST a huge advantage over all other jobs in an area where it's already better than most.
2. There is absolutely no reason for it. THF pet makes no difference. I already said it's completely arbitrary to make pets get job traits but nothing else a job provides. Secondly, even though it is a THF, TH is not battle related, it's a matter of convenience, and it's the only job trait I can think of where this applies (together with Gilfinder, which is in the same boat). As such it's not surprising to treat it differently.

If people keep insisting on bringing the argument that it's simply a THF pet, so it's natural to have it, I have a suggestion that would completely solve the problem for everyone involved: remove THF pets. That way no pets have a reason to have TH anymore, so no one should feel offended for not having it. Unless it really is just greed that drives people.

[Nawesemo]

Flawed logic is flawed. Saying no job can have an ability that my favorite job doesn't have is not a valid argument for anything.

You have absolutely no stake in this discussion and no valid arguments to make. Grats on your Post +1 posts though.

If no valid argument was made, there wouldn't be an argument..... Logic, I dont think it means what you think it means.
Actually everyone who plays is effected, more drops for bsts, less profit for me.. my place in this world is small, but I like to think i pay for it as much as any other.

[FrankReynolds]

If no valid argument was made, there wouldn't be an argument..... Logic, I dont think it means what you think it means.

Just because your argument is invalid doesn't mean I can't beat my head against the wall and continue to debate it. You can claim the nerf was needed because it made the ocean dry up and as long as my opinion diffrers from yours, we can have an argument. No matter how stupid it is, it's still an argument. But here's to arguing about arguing

Actually everyone who plays is effected, more drops for bsts, less profit for me.. my place in this world is small, but I like to think i pay for it as much as any other.

Hmmm... more flawed logic. Lowering BST drops just means that BSTs spend more time in dynamis, which means that you spend more time competing with them for mobs instead of competing on price. The thing is that there is no shortage of people buying currency. There is a shortage of good spots to farm it.

[FrankReynolds]

It made some other jobs happy, even if it didn't help them. That's just as good a reason for it as annoying BST is a reason against it.

Which isn't an invalid reason, because SE tries to do what people like, and if most people dislike it, it may well count as a reason for them. Aside from that, here's another reasons: SE decided that BST shouldn't rank in the list for TH effectiveness, and they're trying to keep the game in line with that plan.

Yeah, SE should change things people don't like if that thing they don't like actually affects them. No one who plays bst said "Man, I'm sick of all these drops. Make them horrible so that I can beat my head on the wall some more!".

It's been repeated enough already that this nerf had virtually no affect on people who don't play bst. SE did nothing to help anyone except haters who just don't like the idea of other people having nice things. It did not cause people to come to dynamis on jobs that kill slower and get all friendly about sharing camps and leave early because they no longer want currency.

When normal people see someone else with something they like, they try to figure out how they can get one of their own.

Sociopaths try to figure out how they can ruin it for the other guy so that no one has one.

For example, I really like H2H. I would like for dancer to have a high skill and access to good H2H weapons / weapon skills. I think H2H makes more sense on dancer than daggers. I'm not going to spam up the forums with requests that they nerf H2H just because I can't have it on my dancer.

Here's two of my reasons (unrelated to the reasons above, which may apply to SE's thinking):
1. TH is extremely powerful. No job (including THF) should be able to get it that high. What someone else said before makes a lot of sense, to make the game rely less on TH by increasing the overall drop rate and make TH give minor boosts instead. However, until that happens, it's pointless to give BST a huge advantage over all other jobs in an area where it's already better than most.

Let's not kid ourselves. TH3 was a minor convenience for BSTs and the people that have to compete with them for claims. That is all. There was no winner here. No matter how shitty you make drops for BST it's not going to make them stop doing the things that annoy you. It's actually going to force them to do it more.

2. There is absolutely no reason for it. THF pet makes no difference. I already said it's completely arbitrary to make pets get job traits but nothing else a job provides. Secondly, even though it is a THF, TH is not battle related, it's a matter of convenience, and it's the only job trait I can think of where this applies (together with Gilfinder, which is in the same boat). As such it's not surprising to treat it differently.

If people keep insisting on bringing the argument that it's simply a THF pet, so it's natural to have it, I have a suggestion that would completely solve the problem for everyone involved: remove THF pets. That way no pets have a reason to have TH anymore, so no one should feel offended for not having it. Unless it really is just greed that drives people.

Calling the desire to get an item in a reasonable amount of time greedy is quite a stretch. I mean why not get rid of bazaars, trades and the AH? Only greedy people buy something that they could just spend weeks / months / years farming themselves right? Your just drawing the line for what is and isn't greedy at a place that is convenient for your argument.

Sorry if I come off as a douche btw. I do actually respect your opinion and I appreciate that your posts actually make sense.

[Nawesemo]

Just because your argument is invalid doesn't mean I can't beat my head against the wall and continue to debate it. You can claim the nerf was needed because it made the ocean dry up and as long as my opinion diffrers from yours, we can have an argument. No matter how stupid it is, it's still an argument. But here's to arguing about arguing



Hmmm... more flawed logic. Lowering BST drops just means that BSTs spend more time in dynamis, which means that you spend more time competing with them for mobs instead of competing on price. The thing is that there is no shortage of people buying currency. There is a shortage of good spots to farm it.

Just because your argument is invalid doesn't mean I can't beat my head against the wall and continue to debate it

well you could, but it makes you kinda silly for agruing against a invalid point, if it in fact was invalid.

Lowering BST drops just means that BSTs spend more time in dynamis

um... no they wont... they uh, kinda can't? (time limit)

you spend more time competing with them for mobs

I don't as it is. You keep bringing up dynamis like it's everything.

[Malthar]

I'm just wondering when the devs are going to weigh in here.
Note, the original gist of the thread was to allow Yuley to proc higher levels of TH.

[FrankReynolds]

well you could, but it makes you kinda silly for agruing against a invalid point, if it in fact was invalid.

I look at it more like skilling up on too weak mobs.

um... no they wont... they uh, kinda can't? (time limit)

Same applies to you. When you come back the next day, that same bst is there too. He doesn't just stop going after a certain number of days just because you think he should have been done by then. He keeps coming back until he gets what he was after.

I don't as it is. You keep bringing up dynamis like it's everything.

I asked before and the response was crickets. In what other content were people using BST pets to solo their way to gear faster than other jobs? or do you know about some unreleased event that bsts are gonna be the bees knees in?

[Nawesemo]

I look at it more like skilling up on too weak mobs.



Same applies to you. When you come back the next day, that same bst is there too. He doesn't just stop going after a certain number of days just because you think he should have been done by then. He keeps coming back until he gets what he was after.

They'd be in there regardless wait for it.... becuase it's easy.

I asked before and the response was crickets. In what other content were people using BST pets to solo their way to gear faster than other jobs? or do you know about some unreleased event that bsts are gonna be the bees knees in?

Actually everyone who plays is effected, more drops for bsts, less profit for me.. my place in this world is small, but I like to think i pay for it as much as any other.

try again.

Edit: its fairly simple concept, bst/dnc able to stay alive, farm anything mindlessly and much safer than any other job as is, adding to that disadvantages the rest of us who choose not to farm on bst. It marginalized a job who's sole purpose as their name suggests is to thf stuff... Yes it would be glorious for bst farmers, and would add nothing to the multi player part of this game. An event you keep asking for, and I'm telling you it would be everything, afk bst , with their pets chilling in beez in latheine, bst on elements in sky, bst on chigos in aut urgan...bst everywhere,.....,

It's a very capable job, it can do quite a bit as it is, having any thf traits at their main jobs disposal and not having to /thf is good enough, and too much in my opinion.