@ Tsukino - yes I did need to get some sleep. Had an old LS Mate that used to call me that...brings back memories of good times. Gotta grab some food and get settled in before I start trying to sift through some news feeds to see what all has been going on again.
Thanks for the updates on progress guys. Good to know some more companies are stepping up the efforts. There was a post in SE's original notices that kind of puts things in a little more perspective--we lost contact with the the creator of the Kiske series for a few days, but internet has been restored but things are pretty rough. If you haven't seen the videos, they are very well done. Should check them out:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sasayaneko
Raist
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Okay, i may get flamed for this one....
Anyone who has played this game for a long time knows that we've gotten more direct feedback from SE since the earthquake than we got in the first 6-7 years of the game.
I'm waiting patiently, and not bitching. Cause i know if i was a DEV or a MOD living in Japan, even if i was in a totally safe part of the country, there's a very good chance that I lost family. Trying to deal with the ongoing issues and missing/dead loved ones then getting pounded with pounded with "When can i has game?" doesn't exactly inspire one to give 110% at work IMO.
For those saying "Yeah, but it's their job, they should deal with it" maybe, but I'm willing to bet everyone here has had a bad day at work because of something silly where you really just didn't wanna be there and didn't care about your job much that day. No imagine that Mother Earth decided to take three big shits in your corn flakes and imagine how much you'd give a damn at work. I know how i'd react.... "You want an update? I want my mother back dickhead, fuck this, i'm gonna go smoke"
tl:dr Remember Devs/Mods are people dealing with a lot right now, if any of them still have missing loved ones then understand that might be a little more important than getting us regular updates on the situation, and do try to be understanding about it.
@ Barabas
Hehe.. Raisin Bran Crunch here. No crapping in my bowl this morning... at least... I think those are still raisins. And, come to think of it.... my juice does have... a little wang to it. GDI that Newbomb Turk must be up to his old Hollywood Nights pranks again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMiPjnNF7Dc
Raist
Classic cheezy movie if you haven't seen it. More clips on youtube from it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=holly...2&ved=0CDgQqwQ
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Probably, just not by me. I am going to point out some flaws in your logic though.Okay, i may get flamed for this one....
Exactly, how can you even think of defending a company like that? Sure they got a new development team working on FFXI and they are great, finally listening to there customers. But the top execs at the top haven't changed so overall SE still has the my way or no way attitude that still smacks there most loyal fans in the face.Anyone who has played this game for a long time knows that we've gotten more direct feedback from SE since the earthquake than we got in the first 6-7 years of the game.
Good for you, so am I but still SE has always put there most loyal fans last in every decision that they make. This tragedy is no excuse for continuing to do so. Also remember we are not talking about employees, we are talking about the people that run the company. If they still want to have there stock worth something a bad day is no excuse for just dropping all there responsibilities. Use this forum as an example, there are still employees monitoring this and even threatening still to hit people with the ban stick (they must dual wield kraken clubs for that) for typing something here that doesn't make them happy. Why if they have time for that can they not even give an update? Please explain that. I mean look, it was players that even posted anything here about the suspension extension. SE didn't even bother to put it here or on the main PoL page. Your are a second thought to them no matter how you slice it and if you want to keep making excuses for there piss poor business practices then so be it.I'm waiting patiently, and not bitching. Cause i know if i was a DEV or a MOD living in Japan, even if i was in a totally safe part of the country, there's a very good chance that I lost family. Trying to deal with the ongoing issues and missing/dead loved ones then getting pounded with pounded with "When can i has game?" doesn't exactly inspire one to give 110% at work IMO.
For those saying "Yeah, but it's their job, they should deal with it" maybe, but I'm willing to bet everyone here has had a bad day at work because of something silly where you really just didn't wanna be there and didn't care about your job much that day. No imagine that Mother Earth decided to take three big shits in your corn flakes and imagine how much you'd give a damn at work. I know how i'd react.... "You want an update? I want my mother back dickhead, fuck this, i'm gonna go smoke"
tl:dr Remember Devs/Mods are people dealing with a lot right now, if any of them still have missing loved ones then understand that might be a little more important than getting us regular updates on the situation, and do try to be understanding about it.
Like I said earlier I don't care that the servers are down, Im playing FFXI now anyways. I just care how they treat there most loayl customers like crap and care even more that the customers always bend over backwards to make excuses for the company that abuses them.
Last edited by Mattis; 03-20-2011 at 12:34 AM.
RAIST thank you for that info, CNN sucks with new News they like to give you 30 sec of news then move to something else Kinda isnt what i want/need from a news station so tyvm for that info
I've been getting a constant feed from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/
Sorry, but I have to respond to this. These forums are a seperate animal from the FFXI team. It is an independant department all together. Think of it like the GM's in game. They have a very limited set of tools to effect a limited set of issues--the GM's scope being to assist players with certain technical issue with gameplay, and documenting abuses and a set of specific actions to take for specific violations, all else is directed to the DEV team/Task Force, or you are pointed to the support portal to pursue the matter. The mods here only work in the scope of these forums, again with a set list of rules/responses to affect activities in the forums. If they find something that meets the criteria laid out by the Administration, it is forwarded to the DEV team. Likewise, if it meets the criteria to be considered a violation of forum rules, the prescribed response is used (locked thread, deleted post, bans, all with the standard email response). They do not have a direct line of communication to request information from higher ups like the CEO's...it has to filter up/down the chain of command just like with any other support organization. At many cases, the best they may be able to do contact the administrative assistant of a higher up and leave a message and wait for a response. This is just how things work an a large administration. For example, the Governer of a State doesn't have a direct line of communication to the President/Vice President--they have to go through the proper channels and wait for a response.Use this forum as an example, there are still employees monitoring this and even threatening still to hit people with the ban stick (they must dual wield kraken clubs for that) for typing something here that doesn't make them happy. Why if they have time for that can they not even give an update? Please explain that. I mean look, it was players that even posted anything here about the suspension extension. SE didn't even bother to put it here or on the main PoL page.
Second, the updates WERE in fact posted at the POL sight. It went up there the same time it showed up here--and it was posted by someone from the Community Team (ie the Moderators). I know, because I looked. I am guessing you weren't watching for it in the right places. This information is ALWAYS posted in the INFORMATION section. The UPDATE details always get posted on the front page, but issues concerning outages, maintenance schedules, etc. have always been posted in the INFORMATION section of the site. Scroll down and look in the lower left corner of the panel for the link.
Raist
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@Raist
I know, in the post you quoted me on I even stated there is a difference between employees and people that run the company. Pointing this out is irrelevant. The fact is the "Higher ups" would rather ban people then to give a common update on the situation. I.E. One post a person ask for an update and the second a person says something against the communist machine that is SE. A mod here reads both and forwards them UP the chain. Which one do they act on? Well
Im betting the person would be banned immediately and you would have to search thru the information section to find out any info about the update whenever they feel like releasing it. SE always will side with showing there power over giving a player what they ask for no matter how simple the request may be.
And I know everything in your second point also, The point I was making again is that they do not care about players enough to post it on the main page or here. No you have to go to there main page and click information constantly only to get the most generic statement possible. Even though there are people here nicely asking for an update they couldn't even copy that useless statement here.
So I still stand by what I said even conceding that everything you said is true.
oh god -.- its sad how many people do not know how big companies work... the mods here dont send anythign "up the chain" they have been given a job here and that is to mod the forums, that includes banning.
Again the mod's job here, is to do nothing but moderate the forums, they don't get internal messages from SE unless it pertains to them, and same goes for any news update. They also don't go high enough in the "chain" to even contact someone that would know any info (aka someone in Japan at HQ)
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