To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

[Eyeballed]

It's very much the same. You get a big group of people together, you go to a camp, and you kill the same crap over and pover for hours. The more crap you kill, the higher level camps you can go to.

But you would know that if you ever did any of this stuff your complaining about.



Every RPG is different and you don't get to decide what is and isn't an RPG for the whole rest of the world. Whats more is that this game has three very important letters before the RPG that change everything. And even if they made this game into a first person shooter, it would have absolutely no bearing on your argument for shitty grinds that no one wants.

Oh, then if it's the same, then what seems to be the big deal? All I've heard about VW so far is "Hey, it's a GRIND, don't you like GRINDS??" And trust me, if you ask the devs, they will tell you that the order or priority in the game is: FF Title >> RPG >> MMO. Source.

"As Yoshida put it, the game is an MMORPG, but it's an RPG before that, and a Final Fantasy game even before that."

[Eyeballed]

You guys are arguing with someone who has never done any sort of endgame content. He has never done Voidwatch. He's never done Legion. I'm actually wondering if he has done Dynamis, Limbus, or Einherjar.

In fact, I'm starting to even wonder if he leveled to 75 (even on another character). I don't think Eyeballed was around for colibri, or he certainly wouldn't even mention a real threat of death/wipe.

I'm starting to wonder if he is confusing FFXI for another game he used to play.

Starve for many arguments? So now I've not played the game. What does all this assumption amount to for you? And if I could prove every single point you made - where would we be then? Nowhere. Exactly.

[FrankReynolds]

Oh, then if it's the same, then what seems to be the big deal? All I've heard about VW so far is "Hey, it's a GRIND, don't you like GRINDS??" And trust me, if you ask the devs, they will tell you that the order or priority in the game is: FF Title >> RPG >> MMO. Source.

"As Yoshida put it, the game is an MMORPG, but it's an RPG before that, and a Final Fantasy game even before that."

And this is his (and most of the other posters) idea of a Final Fantasy > RPG > MMORPG. Not yours. I'll repeat. Not yours. The people spoke and you are a dollar short and a day late. Your choice (and others like you) to quit was exactly what lead to the game being revamped in this way. We appreciate you voting with your wallet for our new leveling system, but we will not go back to the old one just because you have returned.

Making a thousand different threads about it is not going to convince them to remove a huge portion of content. On the contrary, they seem to keep making leveling easier and easier with every update.

Starve for many arguments? So now I've not played the game. What does all this assumption amount to for you? And if I could prove every single point you made - where would we be then? Nowhere. Exactly.

Because you are arguing against something that you don't know about, with people who do.

[Eyeballed]

And this is his (and most of the other posters) idea of a Final Fantasy > RPG > MMORPG. Not yours. I'll repeat. Not yours. The people spoke and you are a dollar short and a day late. Your choice (and others like you) to quit was exactly what lead to the game being revamped in this way. We appreciate you voting with your wallet for our new leveling system, but we will not go back to the old one just because you have returned.

Making a thousand different threads about it is not going to convince them to remove a huge portion of content. On the contrary, they seem to keep making leveling easier and easier with every update.



Because you are arguing against something that you don't know about, with people who do.

I've already stated back on page 2(?) when I quit the game. Nothing I say or you say can prove otherwise. Find a new argument.

[detlef]

Oh yeah you did say that. Now I don't have an explanation for your outlook. I'd be a lousy epidemiologist.

By the time you quit in 2010, people did colibri almost exclusively. Are you talking about a time before that where people fought ITs and rested between pulls?

[Eyeballed]

Slippery slope fallacy spotted.



False dichotomy spotted.



Poisoning the well spotted (again). By the way, you wouldn't happen to be a conspiracy theorist would you?

Oh? Is there a middle ground between us? I thought we already covered that "choice" thing.

[FrankReynolds]

I've already stated back on page 2(?) when I quit the game. Nothing I say or you say can prove otherwise. Find a new argument.

At no point did I suggest that you lied about quitting. You should have lied and said that you didn't quit though. A person saying "the game was so awesome back then that I left to play a different one!!! Let's make it back to the game that I quit!!!" just sounds ridiculous. Your argument would have made a lot more sense if you had quit after you went through abyssea (it still would have been dumb though).

[Eyeballed]

At no point did I suggest that you lied about quitting. You should have lied and said that you didn't quit though. A person saying "the game was so awesome back then that I left to play a different one!!! Let's make it back to the game that I quit!!!" just sounds ridiculous.

And at no point did I say I left this game because it sucked. Do you really always make things up as you go along hoping nobody will notice and see if it works out for the better? Jeez, man. What I did say is that "I quit 2 weeks before the release of FFXIV". Take it and run.

[FrankReynolds]

And at no point did I say I left this game because it sucked. Do you really always make things up as you go along hoping nobody will notice and see if it works out for the better? Jeez, man. What I did say is that "I quit 2 weeks before the release of FFXIV". Take it and run.

You quit. You didn't write the devs and say "Hey guys, I'm quitting because I love the game too much. Don't ever change it!". You just quit. People generally quit this game for one of two reasons.

1)They don't like it.
Adding new and different game play options are a good way to solve this (see abyssea / VW etc.).

2)They don't have time.
Again, see abyssea / VW etc.

WHat's more, you quit, when the game was one way and came back when it had changed. From a game companies point of view, whatever they did influenced you to come back. Hence the changes were for the better.

Then you make a thread like this where %99 of the people agree that the change was for the better, and you just reinforce their belief that they made the right decision. They kept my subscription, and they got yours back. Money talks.

[Eyeballed]

You quit. You didn't write the devs and say "Hey guys, I'm quitting because I love the game too much. Don't ever change it!". You just quit. People generally quit this game for one of two reasons.

1)They don't like it.
Adding new and different game play options are a good way to solve this (see abyssea / VW etc.).

2)They don't have time.
Again, see abyssea / VW etc.

WHat's more, you quit, when the game was one way and came back when it had changed. From a game companies point of view, whatever they did influenced you to come back. Hence the changes were for the better.

Then you make a thread like this where %99 of the people agree that the change was for the better, and you just reinforce their belief that they made the right decision. They kept my subscription, and they got yours back. Money talks.

3) They quit the game to play another one.

(Which is exactly what my original statement should imply.)

And what's more, they didn't do anything to make me come back. I solo/duo everything now.