Relic and Empyrean jobs that can use them.

[saevel]

Yeah this is stupid. RNF (RNK) will be horribly gimped if it doesn't have access to some sort of legendary weapon. As it doesn't have emp access it won't have magian access either, so pretty much limited to AH weapons or Borealis.

Or to put it another way, without some sort of uber weapon, RNF is dead before it's even created. No amount of cosmetic flare will fix that.

[Rezeak]

I think the basic point is that 15 jobs in the game that can use R/M/E but 5 jobs that can't and soon 2 jobs that won't have access to emps which imo isn't really fair not having access to the same type of gear the other 20 have.

Weather or not if 1 job it will be useful it a flawed argument i mean your kinda saying "Ok cause i can't find a use for a relic on BLU so we don't need em even if PUP, COR or DNC could find access to relics helpful"

I guess my point is let all jobs be on an equal footing and i do know alot of BLUs would use Excalibur as a offhand weapon

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah this is stupid. RNF (RNK) will be horribly gimped if it doesn't have access to some sort of legendary weapon. As it doesn't have emp access it won't have magian access either, so pretty much limited to AH weapons or Borealis.

Or to put it another way, without some sort of uber weapon, RNF is dead before it's even created. No amount of cosmetic flare will fix that.

Pretty much like dancer when it came out. All you could get for it was shitty AH gear. Not even a blau dolch >.<

[Calamity]

As it doesn't have emp access it won't have magian access either, so pretty much limited to AH weapons or Borealis.

Yes, my biggest concern more than anything is that no emp seems to imply no magian weapons whatsoever. That is pretty damning.

[Kristal]

Yes, my biggest concern more than anything is that no emp seems to imply no magian weapons whatsoever. That is pretty damning.

The only implication is that they cannot use emp weapons. RDM cannot use emp staff either, but they CAN use magian staves. (Despite lacking the ability to complete staff trials.)

That doesn't even have to be a problem if SE adds weapons uniquely fit for GEO/RNK.

[saevel]

The only implication is that they cannot use emp weapons. RDM cannot use emp staff either, but they CAN use magian staves. (Despite lacking the ability to complete staff trials.)

That doesn't even have to be a problem if SE adds weapons uniquely fit for GEO/RNK.

Big issues, huge issues, ginormous continental size issues.

This deals with GS specifically. Rag is nice and all but what's more important is that it won't get the OaT GSWD which is the next best thing to a Rag. The OaT line is in the EXACT same category as the Emp line, Trial #216 to be exact. Without that RNF (RNK) will be gimp on damage output. At best RNF will tank the same things PLD tanks (I'll let your imagination figure that out), at worst it'll be tanking what NIN's tank. This isn't a "support job" like BRD / COR / SCH / SMN nor is it a healing job like WHM thus it will be evaluated on it's damage output potential. No Trial #216 access and no Rag means it's dead weight and best replaced by a WAR/SAM/MNK/DRK/DRG and possibly a THF/NIN/BLU.

Like I said, no amount of "oh look shiny" will fix the core mechanics of this game.

[wish12oz]

I hate it when I agree with Saevel, but he's completely right, if Rune Fencer doesn't get a good weapon (that doesnt require 30k alexandrite) and Resolution, it's a dead job before it even gets added.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That and it looks like they're going to have the same problem as 2h Prd/DRG, they'll either have to /war for zerk and lose Hasso or /sam and have lower attack over all.

[0nionKn1ght]

Yea the lore excuse went out the window with Blu Pup and Cor having relic armor in Dynamis.

Lore can never be the chain down factor in any game to stop things remaining fair. Imagine how annoying it would be to turn up to Dynamis runs (pre solo nerf) only to be told you aren't ever getting anything for your job.

Lore is always a considered factor, but never the defining one. Don't use it as a reason or an excuse, just respect it when possible.

[Calamity]

I hate it when I agree with Saevel, but he's completely right, if Rune Fencer doesn't get a good weapon (that doesnt require 30k alexandrite) and Resolution, it's a dead job before it even gets added.

Well, I'm not completely sure if this will be true. They did mention it's intended to be a tank job more than a DD job, so even without max dd potential it could still be a good job. We have no idea what kinds of tools and potential it's going to have. Even so, I'm still not happy at the concept of it being shorted on magian trials, even if it's just 1 particular line. And as far as resolution, I see no reason to believe that they won't have it. It has nothing to do with lore and they are stated to be GS masters. So with Last Stand thief's as my witness, I think we're safe in this regard.