Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Cream_Soda]

No, there weren't. There were plenty.

I was going to post a link to the original BG Gimp/Confused/WTF thread from 2007 but the first couple of pages are just stupid, so I won't bother. Needless to say, there were not "ALOT less" bad players before Abyssea. There are plenty of really bad players now, too. And just like in 2003, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, and 2010, most of them don't even realize they're horrible players. If anything, they stand up and defend themselves claiming that they're just different, they have their own opinions, it doesn't matter if they use underleveled or mismatched subs, don't swap gear, or think Haste is worthless.

Honestly, I'd rather have a Mnk who swaps gear, TPs in Haste, and has 50 H2H skill than someone who has played for 4 years and still doesn't understand the basics of the game. That Mnk will skill up to cap eventually, and when they're capped, those other players will still be TP'ing in Optical Hats and STR gear.

/thread !

[Greatguardian]

there weren't as many as now greatgaurdian lol . . . . and i am one who thinks haste is over rated but thats because i am a countering tanking monk in abyssea ^_^ i know haste is important but not for my build its just a +.

Yeah. There were. I'm a counter-tanking Verethragna MNK, but that doesn't mean I ever have less than 26% Haste in gear (256/1024, etc). Want to know the best part? A lot of the people complaining about "bad players from Abyssea", are what we would call bad players. I won't name names, because that would be flaming or whatever. But I find it incredibly ironic nonetheless.

It's like the pot screaming to the blacksmith about how his new hammer is making kettles that are too black.

[Nacht]

I don't think I'd level another job past SJ levels if they raised the level minimum in abyssea. Prior to abyssea, I had stopped leveling new jobs just because of how gay leveling was.

Raising the min level months after introducing abyssea would be a huge kick in the balls. If it had been introduced that way, that's one thing, but changing it months after releasing the expansions is just a dick move.

[Zagen]

Ram i played this game through Japanese beta till now thats a long time . . . . Before it was only a few when ToAU came out for about 3 months and now that abyssea started there are people that don't know what TA, Enmity on cures,Provoke flash timers, how to properly use summons etc . . . .. . .. If you don't see this then your just a bad player like those people . ..

I have played since the beginning of 2004 and I can tell you that I met plenty of people that fit your description. Heck for a while I was one of them. This isn't new because of any given expansion.

I remember people mocking me for being a galka summoner before even seeing how I play just because I picked galka as my race and then wondering how I was cheating because I made the MP work just as well as the taru summoners they played with before me. The secret was food + crafting Pineapple Juices on the fly...

Nothing SE will ever do, be it slow down EXP rate, speed up EXP rate, raise Level Caps, or lower Level Caps will ever stop a player who refuses to do any research or take advise when given from sucking.

If you have a problem with a player who truly refuses to learn then just don't play with them, if you have a problem with an event functioning a certain way then either don't participate or find a way to make it work for you.

[jeffanddane]

Yeah but what you guys are missing is the players are worse now . . . . how is standing there opening chests going to make you know your job or the abilities that it has . . . .How the hell you going to learn anything standing there ? There were bad players my whole playing exp since Japanese beta . . . . But now where near what we have now . . . . There was always that 1 thf, whm, smn etc that didnt know there job . . .. but now i am encountering them every single time i party or every single time i am hosting an event and alot of these people didnt show up till after abyssea so maybe they were there before and i didnt notice or maybe its because people stand around for 60 lvls not learning there damn job . . .

[Greatguardian]

Yeah but what you guys are missing is the players are worse now . . . . how is standing there opening chests going to make you know your job or the abilities that it has . . . .How the hell you going to learn anything standing there ? There were bad players my whole playing exp since Japanese beta . . . . But now where near what we have now . . . . There was always that 1 thf, whm, smn etc that didnt know there job . . .. but now i am encountering them every single time i party or every single time i am hosting an event and alot of these people didnt show up till after abyssea so maybe they were there before and i didnt notice or maybe its because people stand around for 60 lvls not learning there damn job . . .

It's like the pot screaming to the blacksmith about how his new hammer is making kettles that are too black.

Learn game mechanics first. Cast stones later.

[Komori]

You encounter them every party because there are 12 more people there? Just a guess. Doesn't mean they're any more or any less common than they were before.

And people who want to excel will look up information on the job.

[Zagen]

Yeah but what you guys are missing is the players are worse now . . . . how is standing there opening chests going to make you know your job or the abilities that it has . . . .How the hell you going to learn anything standing there ? There were bad players my whole playing exp since Japanese beta . . . . But now where near what we have now . . . . There was always that 1 thf, whm, smn etc that didnt know there job . . .. but now i am encountering them every single time i party or every single time i am hosting an event and alot of these people didnt show up till after abyssea so maybe they were there before and i didnt notice or maybe its because people stand around for 60 lvls not learning there damn job . . .

Well considering I leeched BST from 30+ I learned how to play the job through research >.> I mean using Call Beast with the Crab Familiar and fighting a monster wouldn't let me know its level cap was 75 checking the info available on Wiki did. Reading guides other players have written gave me all the information I needed to know how to play the job.

Oh I also leeched PLD from 30. And I can tell you from having leveled it on another character years ago learning how to play PLD in EXP is nothing like learning how to play PLD for endgame if your group actually uses PLD for endgame. Again asking questions and doing research taught me how to play the job not EXPing years ago. Well that's not completely true EXPing did teach me Flash whenever its up and Cure 3 was a better option over Cure 4 due to MP management being a problem... Oh wait scratch the last part since in Abyssea MP isn't an issue if you use MM.

[jeffanddane]

Well exempt the people who did lvl it previously. Focus on the people who lvl it for the awesome looking gear they see on people. There are going to be people who lvl the job because they have previously lvled it before but there a tons more who just want to lvl the job just so they have the option. And research alone doesn't make you as skilled as someone who has experienced the actual situation.

[Greatguardian]

Well exempt the people who did lvl it previously. Focus on the people who lvl it for the awesome looking gear they see on people. There are going to be people who lvl the job because they have previously lvled it before but there a tons more who just want to lvl the job just so they have the option. And research alone doesn't make you as skilled as someone who has experienced the actual situation.

Research alone vs Experience alone, my leeched RDM90 will destroy 99.9% of RDMs freaking out about leeching who only swap NQ staves.