Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Emitremmus]

Wow I hadn't realized my thread had gone this far. Only nearly 100 pages inbetween my posts...lol.

I didn't mean to give the idea that I want to impose my nostalgia on people. The biggest drawback I see here is that those people burning level 30+ jobs in Abyssea are further hurting those who do not even have Abyssea expansions installed. Perhaps I'm too full of pride of all the time and effort I put into getting jobs to 75 the old way. Just feels like the flair of having put your effort into a particular job has gone away since anyone can get to 90 with 1/1000th of the work. It sucks seeing newer players falter because of this.

[jeffanddane]

lol like i said in many posts to people stfu lol >.> the more threads posted about the same topic the more SE is inclined to do something about it. And i love this idea . . . . This will take the bad player out and make them learn there job and that would be amazing lol. And i agree with you fully on this Emit abyssea cater to lazy players who want everything to come easy . . . . Well it shouldn't . . . We don't need lazy players who do there job sloppy because they don't know how to play there job at all. . . . i ran into someone who didnt know how to TA properly a lvl 90 THF WTF IS THAT ?!?!?!?!?! and a pld that cant tank outside abyssea . . . . there are countess stories of how abyssea have ruined players . . . . I would love 70+ on jobs so we can stop having crappy lazy players . . . i thought ToAU was ruining our players but this is by far making us have people who don't know what the hell they are doing XD>

[Ramsos]

lol like i said in many posts to people stfu lol >.> the more threads posted about the same topic the more SE is inclined to do something about it. And i love this idea . . . . This will take the bad player out and make them learn there job and that would be amazing lol.

Because there were no bad players who didnt know their job before abyssea, right?

[Dauntless]

Because there were no bad players who didnt know their job before abyssea, right?

There were ALOT less.

[Ramsos]

There were ALOT less.

And how exactly can you prove this claim?

[RAIST]

I've run into higher level THF's Pre- Abyssea that didn't know how to SATA efficiently.

I blame it more on the parties not even putting forth an effort to do it anymore. Me and a THF finally gave up trying to teach a party one day and I just told him to go a head and stick my DRK, since the "tank" couldn't get the hang of lining up properly.

Raist

[jeffanddane]

Ram i played this game through Japanese beta till now thats a long time . . . . Before it was only a few when ToAU came out for about 3 months and now that abyssea started there are people that don't know what TA, Enmity on cures,Provoke flash timers, how to properly use summons etc . . . .. . .. If you don't see this then your just a bad player like those people . ..

[Greatguardian]

There were ALOT less.

No, there weren't. There were plenty.

I was going to post a link to the original BG Gimp/Confused/WTF thread from 2007 but the first couple of pages are just stupid, so I won't bother. Needless to say, there were not "ALOT less" bad players before Abyssea. There are plenty of really bad players now, too. And just like in 2003, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, and 2010, most of them don't even realize they're horrible players. If anything, they stand up and defend themselves claiming that they're just different, they have their own opinions, it doesn't matter if they use underleveled or mismatched subs, don't swap gear, or think Haste is worthless.

Honestly, I'd rather have a Mnk who swaps gear, TPs in Haste, and has 50 H2H skill than someone who has played for 4 years and still doesn't understand the basics of the game. That Mnk will skill up to cap eventually, and when they're capped, those other players will still be TP'ing in Optical Hats and STR gear.

[jeffanddane]

there weren't as many as now greatgaurdian lol . . . . and i am one who thinks haste is over rated but thats because i am a countering tanking monk in abyssea ^_^ i know haste is important but not for my build its just a +.

[Ramsos]

Ram i played this game through Japanese beta till now thats a long time . . . . Before it was only a few when ToAU came out for about 3 months and now that abyssea started there are people that don't know what TA, Enmity on cures,Provoke flash timers, how to properly use summons etc . . . .. . .. If you don't see this then your just a bad player like those people . ..

Ive played this game since NA release. I know my original server (ifrit) was a cesspool of fail and probably taints my perspective of pre-abyssea, but I remember just as many terrible players back then as I see now. Its just easier to find them nowadays since they wear 5/5 perle/aurore/teal.