Give Yuley more evasion for taking away TH

[Camiie]

It still doesn't change the fact that Dipper doesn't need anymore evasion. It was too overpowered to begin with and nerfing Treasure Hunter to level 1 isn't that big of a deal to begin with.

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

[Juilan]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

They're using SE's warped logic.

SE: The Weaponskills are too powerful, so as such we'll be balancing the level 99 WS's to be only about 1% stronger than level 60 weaponskills.

OP: Dipper Yuly is overpowered because it can easily solo level 75 content at level 99, so therefore no balancing for level 99 battles are needed.

[Camiie]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?

If they ever get around to producing it, and it's probably at the absolute bottom of the priority list if it's even on there at all, you know there will be some horrible drawback to it. They'll find a way to make it suck.




Diver's Helmet R/Ex
[Head] All Races
DEF 30 DEX-8 AGI-8 Accuracy -10
Haste -7%
Slippery Silas: Treasure Hunter +1
Lv. 99 BST

They're using SE's warped logic.

OP: Dipper Yuly is overpowered because it can easily solo level 75 content at level 99, so therefore no balancing for level 99 battles are needed.

Pretty much. And also, "It's fine for me and it should be fine for you too."

[Xantavia]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?

If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

[Camiie]

If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

I thought these days all they had to do was attack and use SA/TA for "additional TH." For max TH sure they have to use gear but not simply for additional TH beyond the job trait.

Note that using gear that enhances Treasure Hunter only raises the initial level of Treasure Hunter applied when making your first action against an enemy. In other words, it is unnecessary to leave such gear equipped afterward.

<That's interesting.>

[Luvbunny]

So where is this treasure hunter gears?

[SNK]

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

Wow hit a nerve did I? For a job that I originally leveled to 75 with 0 Treasure Hunter when it came to camping NMs having Dipper was a god send. The problem is that we all knew the nerfbat was coming to it's native Treasure Hunter and anyone thinking otherwise is just dreaming.

The fact we didn't lose it alltogether was a shock. Dipper was seriously overabused in crap like Dynamis where all that people complained about was all the BSTs in the zone everyday farming mobs like crazy so SE decided the best way to deal with it was either fix Dynamis which we all know would take way more work or break something or lower Dipper's TH down to level 1 in an attempt to balance out the huge influx of currency a job like BST shouldn't have been getting so much to the point that it made THF more pointless then it already was.

The whole I'm awesome bit cracked a smile with me. I never said I was awesome to begin with but I know an overpowered pet when I see one. DipperYuly is an amazingly solid and evasive pet. Nobody can deny this. Giving something like that to a pet who's evasion is already stupidly high to begin with would probably end up with SE just nerfing TH alltogether on the pet to "balance" it out.

I don't want to defend the dev team's choice in Dipper's nerf but I knew it was coming so I'm content enough to just leave it at TH1 instead of QQing at a proverial brick wall that the Dev team is like sometimes.
Dipper

[Llana_Virren]

If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

Once TH procs, you can take off your TH+ gear, you know? >___>"

[Camiie]

Wow hit a nerve did I?

If you had, you wouldn't have to ask. Why? Where you trying to?

For a job that I originally leveled to 75 with 0 Treasure Hunter when it came to camping NMs having Dipper was a god send. The problem is that we all knew the nerfbat was coming to it's native Treasure Hunter and anyone thinking otherwise is just dreaming.

The fact we didn't lose it alltogether was a shock. Dipper was seriously overabused in crap like Dynamis where all that people complained about was all the BSTs in the zone everyday farming mobs like crazy so SE decided the best way to deal with it was either fix Dynamis which we all know would take way more work or break something or lower Dipper's TH down to level 1 in an attempt to balance out the huge influx of currency a job like BST shouldn't have been getting so much to the point that it made THF more pointless then it already was.

How was it being abused at all much less "overabused?" DNC has more potential JA procs than anyone and tons of evasion and self healing. If I take those natural abilities and use them to collect currency or solo an NM where another job may not be able to do the same, am I abusing something?
Besides isn't TH rather ineffective for earning currency? It certainly does very little without the ability to proc right?

The whole I'm awesome bit cracked a smile with me. I never said I was awesome to begin with but I know an overpowered pet when I see one.

You sent the message without saying it outright. Look at all the the pics you posted of things you soloed. That comes off as bragging. Then to say that, "Oh I did all this so Dipper's good enough as is." It's like you're just rubbing it in everyone's faces.

Another thing seems a bit odd to me. Most people would be just fine with something they use being made more useful. The natural response would be to ask for improvements and to desire stronger, faster, more efficient, better value, etc. The fact that you're going against that normal tendency makes me think you have other reasons than potential boredom for not wanting Yuly to be in any way improved. It's just kinda weird and a bit off-putting.

DipperYuly is an amazingly solid and evasive pet. Nobody can deny this. Giving something like that to a pet who's evasion is already stupidly high to begin with would probably end up with SE just nerfing TH alltogether on the pet to "balance" it out.

But there have been more suggestions than simply added evasion, which you seem to be ignoring altogether. Why is that? Why not added attack like with Falcorr? Why not a little boost to Ready abilities? Where you against Falcorr being given an attack boost in exchange for losing THII and THIII? If not, why not? Falcorr was definitely no slouch before the update.

I don't want to defend the dev team's choice in Dipper's nerf but I knew it was coming so I'm content enough to just leave it at TH1 instead of QQing at a proverial brick wall that the Dev team is like sometimes.

No one is "QQing." What I'd like to see is some consistency. Do for Yuly what was done for Falcorr, and also deliver the Pet: TH gear that Camate spoke of. Got a problem with that?