Sanus Ensis?

[Arcon]

Saying you have evasion the same as Pld shows you have no idea what you're doing or talking about.

Except for the part where he's completely right.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Correction, base skill is the same correct, however Blu has no trouble getting a notable evasion rate on DCs in dynamis while maintaining a fair amount of haste, up to 25% (in shown gear, so slightly uncapped) in a perfect/near perfect set. Pld simply cannot do this unless you're going to suggest double evasion shikargar on Pld.

[Tashan]

Saeval's got it completely wrong, although I didn't choose to reply to that because it'd been the umpteenth time someone has had to disprove him.

Although for Arcon - You're mistaken.

Blue Mage has enough evasion options to warrant use against anything pre-voidwatch implementation that is worth evading. This was the case at LV90 let alone LV99. So much so that a player can even maintain a full haste build while equipping evasion equipment.

A hybrid evasion build should be something every Blue Mage should have in their arsenal.

For the situation mentioned (dynamis) the EVA shikargar beats Sanus Enis.

[saevel]

PLD: C, 373 evasion @99
BLU: C- 368 evasion @99

Honestly what's 5 skill difference.

And lol at wearing "evasion gear" to prevent using a cure sword that lowers your damage. Lets lower our damage to increase our survival rate (Evasion build) to prevent having to lower our damage to increase our teams survival rate (cure sword). Honestly slapping on a cure sword is far easier in the long run, plus it helps out others in your team.

And your not getting jack sh!t for evasion rate on DC's, I know cause I'm constantly farming them, every day almost. Next thing you'll say is that you get capped hit rate on DC crows without food (come on I dare you).

[Arcon]

Although for Arcon - You're mistaken.

I'm not. BLU and PLD evade about the same. That is as correct a statement as it gets when you're quantifier is "about the same". Just because you normally don't play PLD that way it doesn't change anything about that.

My problem is not with your reasoning but with Neisan's retarded argument: "Because you said something that is correct you're clearly a moron and have no idea what you're talking about."

[Neisan_Quetz]

Pld and Blu do not evade about the same- unless by 'about the same' you really mean 'around ~40 less evasion while keeping high haste if you're not using double AGI shikargar'. This is excluding drape, which I have found little need for in dynamis, or Barbed, which doesn't work. Nor am I using a full evasion set which saevel seems to think I'm implying, when I already outlined you can get a fair amount of evasion and still hit 25% haste. Pld simply cannot make a decent hybrid evasion set at all, and still falls short in a full evasion set on pld without double shikargar.

P.S. you're not the only one who farms DCs, so all I can say is uh... try harder? I parsed 77% evasion overall in a mediocre set on DCs the last few times I went on Blu, and my set is far from perfect.

[saevel]

Pld and Blu do not evade about the same- unless by 'about the same' you really mean 'around ~30 less evasion (conservative estimate) while keeping high haste if you're not using double AGI shikargar'.

P.S. you're not the only one who farms DCs, so all I can say is uh... try harder? I parsed 77% evasion overall in a mediocre set on DCs the I last few went on Blu, and my set is far from perfect.

And I'm now calling BS on your statement. You didn't hit 77% evasion unless your fighting EPs or including Occulation in a group where you don't get hate often. There is no "try" involved, 2 evasion = -1% hit rate for the enemy. Thing is ... enemy accuracy cap is 80%. Whether you have 0 evasion or enough evasion to give them 81% hit rate you still get the same 80%. Not only do you need to get enough evasion to be worthwhile, you also need to get enough to push it under the 80% cap. This is why PLD's gave up on "evasion" a long time ago, reducing their hit rate 20% doesn't mean anything when their at 130% to begin with (capped at 80%).

Going from the 80% cap to 23% (your 77% evasion rate) would require 114 evasion over the monsters accuracy. Players don't get LCF bonus nor do you have EB5. EB1 is only +10 and requires setting either SD or HB, though HB still isn't a bad spell just expensive set point wise. And that's all assuming every point of +evasion is actually being used vs going to pushing acc down past the cap.

And this entire debate was about whether your should lower your damage by using an offhand cure sword over the shikagar to enhance your own as well as your groups survivability / TP usage. Your now trying to say that you can get an evasion build that sacrifices your DD stats so that you can use a Shikagar off hand rather then a cure sword while your farm EPs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

... What? Just, what? do you read what you post sometimes? I don't even know where to begin...

[saevel]

... What? Just, what? do you read what you post sometimes? I don't even know where to begin...

Begin with you misreading your own information.

I parsed 77% evasion overall in a mediocre set on DCs the I last few went on Blu, and my set is far from perfect.

You didn't parse an evasion rate of 77% as a BLU vs Decent Challenge monsters inside dynamis. Vs EPs in an evasion set, possibly, vs DCs as a THF, most definitely, as a BLU, not a chance in hell. Simply put BLU's evasion skill is low enough that monsters can easily get over capped accuracy on you. In order for you to parse 23% monster accuracy (77% player evasion) you'd have to have evasion 104 over the monsters accuracy. Your saying you can get that quite easily while maintaining 25% haste and not crippling your damage? BS. Your fighting EPs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It was DCs as I was parsing my gimp Dnc friend's accuracy/evasion as well, who was much lower due to lack of skill. Was Dynamis Bubu decent challenge Nightmare monsters, never touched the EPs and just to be sure, completely restarted parsing once TEs were dead just to be sure no EP kills were logged. Try again.