lolRelic WS [For those who don't believe me... :\]

[Rambus]

Well, jin is 4 hits when you include the offhand hit.

Jin is 1.0 ftp per hit, making it 4.0 ftp, if you use gorget, the first hit is 1.1 ftp, shadow belt, 1.2 ftp.

So you're looking at a max of 4.2 ftp before looking at DA/TA procs (I'm not going that far into it).

1.2, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 ftp respectively on the four hits.

First hit: 1.2/4.2 = 28.57%
Second hit: 1/4.2 = 23.81%
Third hit: 1/4.2 = 23.81%
Fourth hit: 1/4.2 = 23.81%

As far as blade jin goes, comparing crit vs crit and non crit vs non crit, The first hit is only worth 28.57% of your total damage, where as the second, third and fourth are worth 23.81% of your damage each.

Even missing the main hit, you're still have the potential to reach 71.43% of your maximum damage.


Let's look at Metsu
3.0 ftp, plus one offhand hit for 4.0 total. Add gorget + belt, 4.2 ftp (and w/ better mods imo than Jin, if this ws could crit, you'd have a better ws)

First hit is 3.2 ftp, second hit is 1.0 ftp.

First hit: 3.2/4.2 = 76.19%
Second hit: 1/4.2 = 23.8%

See how much more important the first hit is here than in Jin? If you miss that first hit, 76% of your damage is trashed and you're left w/ the pathetic 23.8% remainder.

This is why your damage was so low.

wind/ thunder
and you didn't math the chance of missing 3 hits out of 4.
thats .011875%
not counting DA/TA, its even lower with that

[Sama]

Well being on the safe side, you are 100% correct, but there's no proof that the character even belongs to him, so there's nothing incriminating about the screen shot. (though, I personally wouldn't risk something like that)

I prefer being /anno here; I would not like being /check every 15 sec if I have have char name shown here.

Thanks for your understanding.

[Cream_Soda]

wind/ thunder
and you didn't math the chance of missing 3 hits out of 4.

I don't even know I typed Shadow tbh. I just typed it apparently, you're correct on wind thunder. I just meant to put ele belt/gorget, lol

And I did.

I showed how much each hit was worth as an individual.

land first hit, miss the last 3? Look at the amount for first hit.

Land second, third, or fourth and miss the rest, then look at second, third or fourth hit.

[Cream_Soda]

I prefer being /anno here; I would not like being /check every 15 sec if I have have char name shown here.

Thanks for your understanding.

The person i was responding to is referring to the obvious windower plug ins by the person in the screen shot.

[Rambus]

I don't even know I typed Shadow tbh. I just typed it apparently, you're correct on wind thunder. I just meant to put ele belt/gorget, lol

And I did.

I showed how much each hit was worth as an individual.

land first hit, miss the last 3? Look at the amount for first hit.

Land second, third, or fourth and miss the rest, then look at second, third or fourth hit.

all you stated was damage % of each hit is worth vs the potinal total, unless i missed it somewhow, anyways I was editing my post

thats .011875%
not counting DA/TA, its even lower with that

you said shaddow because you had blade metsu on your mind

[Sureal]

be thankful your not a sam, id rather take that damage than missing completely

[Cream_Soda]

all you stated was damage % of each hit is worth vs the potinal total, unless i missed it somewhow, anyways I was editing my post

thats .011875%
not counting DA/TA, its even lower with that

Well w/o any numbers, I can't go as far as to tell exact ws DMG. I'd need enemy stats, your stats, etc. It was a relative model to show how much damage you lose by missing the first hit in Metsu vs Jin.

For example, let's say you do a 1000 dmg ws in total for both ws.

If you only land 1 hit in either one, one of the 1.0 ftp hits, then you're going to get the same dmg on both ws' (provided you're looking at a 1000 dmg jin vs a 1000 dmg metsu).

If you land the first hit on each and none of the others, then you'd get

761.9 dmg on Metsu and 285.7 dmg on Jin.

About the most relative comparison I can give as a general comparison.

[Ilax]

be thankful your not a sam, id rather take that damage than missing completely

i have to disagree in this statement, all relic owner got 25% increase for they relic WS, mean a lots for SAM, that don't mean much for THF, and i am sure is same case for many relic like huh gungir...

[Cream_Soda]

Also, to correct myself, unless your offhand is the same DMG as your mainhand,the offhand hit will be the lowest DMG hit of them all. I am more used to doing mnk math, where offhand hit is always going to count as the same DMG, since you can't wield multiple weapons, so in my model, the assumption of equiv base DMG weapons was made.

[Rambus]

Well w/o any numbers, I can't go as far as to tell exact ws DMG. I'd need enemy stats, your stats, etc. It was a relative model to show how much damage you lose by missing the first hit in Metsu vs Jin.

For example, let's say you do a 1000 dmg ws in total for both ws.

If you only land 1 hit in either one, one of the 1.0 ftp hits, then you're going to get the same dmg on both ws' (provided you're looking at a 1000 dmg jin vs a 1000 dmg metsu).

If you land the first hit on each and none of the others, then you'd get

761.9 dmg on Metsu and 285.7 dmg on Jin.

About the most relative comparison I can give as a general comparison.

do you have to miss all hits but last? at cap acc miss>miss>miss>hit is 0.011875% chance of happening.