Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Byrth]

I leveled Thief to 99 and have hardly used Dancer since. I took it to kill Proto-Omega because TH doesn't matter much there.

I picked up 5-10 Alexandrite per run when I swapped to Thief with macroing in AF2+2 hands and AF3+2 feet for one round on each gear. It's worth the extra ~5-10 minutes it takes me because Thief is a substantially worse DD than my DNC. Most of what takes time is the running around in there, anyway.

[Babekeke]

I leveled Thief to 99 and have hardly used Dancer since. I took it to kill Proto-Omega because TH doesn't matter much there.

I picked up 5-10 Alexandrite per run when I swapped to Thief with macroing in AF2+2 hands and AF3+2 feet for one round on each gear. It's worth the extra ~5-10 minutes it takes me because Thief is a substantially worse DD than my DNC. Most of what takes time is the running around in there, anyway.

I guess you didn't mean Proto-Omega? Or you switched to a different event without mentioning it lol.

[Byrth]

Yeah, one of them is Limbus (I did not use THF) and the next is Salvage (I used THF).

[Ophannus]

I'd love to see THF get a trait called Tactical Evade where they get +1-2 TP for every successful evasion. Or if that's too strong, could make it a JA called Artful Dodge with shared timer with Mug or something(If mug is used, 15m recast, if the JA is used, its 5 min recast). As an added bonus Perfect Dodge could enhance the effect of the trait further and give like TP+5-10 for every evasion(similar to how Light Arts or Tabula Rasa enhance Regen), making it less sucky and goes along with what SE said like 3 years ago about making Perfect Dodge more useful and possibly more offensive.

[Huevriel]

I still love THF either way. Picking chests never gets old. I would like to see SE give boosts to THF that use Shield + Dagger rather than Dual Wield. Or perhaps make a shield that "Enhances Sneak Attack" or something.

[Ophannus]

^Reminds me of pre TOAU days when I'd see THF/WAR running around with Mandau/Tatami Shield, messing stuff up for ridiculous damage. You could sub WAR now and benefit from like TP Bonus+20 and a pretty significant bonus to Critical Hit rate from Fencer actually (Crit+5%). They could even make sneak attack do increased damage if you only wield one weapon in your hand rather than dual wielding, though dual wielding fits THF better to be honest.

I was thinking if they implemented better bolts for high level (HQ Blood/Acid/Sleep) that had 1.5-2x the effect that current bolts have, THF would be pretty sweet on stuff, maybe even a increase to B+ or A- marksmanship so we could use xbow better. I gotta say, I've been in love with xbow since I leveled THF and find that 12.5% defense down from acid bolts(which procs on almost everything even VW) beats the 3% DW from Raiders. If they increased Acid Bolt's effectiveness or added stronger Acid Bolts that did like 15-17% Defense Down, it would definitely be awesome. By the way I've ben screwing around with Paralyze Arrows on my THF when soloing Dynamis, have you guys any idea how potent these things are? They're like Ice Spikes potency or Paralyze II 5/5 from RDM! Seriously the paralyze proc's on mobs' actions like 30-40% of the time, it's nuts. People underrate how good status bolts/arrows can be.

[Aana]

I dont see any value in trying to boost up single wielding. It would need such a huge boost to keep up with DW (30%+ delay reduction is HUGE for both TP speed and DoT, not to mention the extra hit on WS) its just impractical to boost single up that much just to MATCH what we have now. Whats the point? Especially after years of bitching/whining for DW and we FINALLY got it. Now people want to go single wield again?

Some people can never be happy i guess. Why boost single wield so you can mandau/tatami /war when you can just get 33% DW and STILL /war and destroy the world right now instead? It doesnt enhance thf, it just makes DDing with 1 hand as good as 2 already is. That doesnt fix anything wrong with thf because its a sidegrade at the expense of lots of dev time.

Theres a lot of things SE can do to thf. Wasting time enhancing thf dagger/shield combo by ~30% just to match the existing DW we begged for the last 5 years for because single wielding sucked and bound us to /nin isnt one of them.

[Babekeke]

It would need such a huge boost to keep up with DW (30%+ delay reduction is HUGE for both TP speed and DoT, not to mention the extra hit on WS)

Since they scrapped the tp floor, 30% delay reduction doesn't speed up TP gain, as TP per swing is reduced by the same amount as your delay is reduced.

[Motenten]

Since they scrapped the tp floor, 30% delay reduction doesn't speed up TP gain, as TP per swing is reduced by the same amount as your delay is reduced.

Incorrect. It doesn't increase TP gain *as much* as it used to, but it does absolutely still increase TP gain.

Delay per weapon    TP/Hit      TP/Second
180                 5.0         1.667
175                 4.9         1.680
170                 4.9         1.729
165                 4.8         1.745
160                 4.8         1.800
155                 4.7         1.819
150                 4.7         1.880
145                 4.7         1.945
140                 4.6         1.971
135                 4.6         2.044
130                 4.5         2.077
125                 4.5         2.160
120                 4.5         2.250

For the issue in question, a 190 delay dagger's TP gain rate would be 1.642 TP per second. 30% DW puts the effective delay at 133, which has a TP gain rate of 2.075 TP per second, a 26.4% increase.

A Twashtar, at 176 delay, would have 1.670 TP/second. 30% DW reduction (assuming an identical 176 delay weapon in offhand) puts its effective delay at 123, for 2.195 TP/second; a 31.5% increase in TP gain rate.

[Economizer]

Incorrect. It doesn't increase TP gain *as much* as it used to, but it does absolutely still increase TP gain.

Motenten is right as usual. But I don't think this even accounts for triple attack rounds - the faster you hit the more chances you have for double/triple/quadruple attack to proc.