Battle Balance Adjustment: TP Gained through Use of a Weaponskill

[Yinnyth]

Damn guys, stop bitching about this already. Save TP was horrendously overpowered, it had to be changed one way or the other.

Setting aside the point that I love, and have always loved your siggy for now...

Save TP is overpowered in one and only one circumstance: Voidwatch. The reason for this is because with a corsair and high TP-return WSs and the correct atmacite, you would be capable of more than 60 TP returned per WS. THIS IS NOT DISPUTED AS OVERPOWERED. The reason people object to the changes is that Miser's Roll will not be used anywhere but voidwatch, and I argue that after the changes it shouldn't even be used in voidwatch.

I'm a bard by trade. It's my most serious job in the game. Even I think that haste is more overpowered than save TP, and it's the one thing that makes my primary job so enticing in parties. The solution for save TP should be the same as it is for haste. A hard cap. Or hell, a hard cap on maximum TP return.

[Quetzacoatl]

Since Hagakure is a one-time ability that grants an effect to the next weapon skill used and does not give a full-time benefit, based off of your feedback and dev./QA team testing, we have decided to increase the effect a bit.

While it won’t make it in time for tomorrow’s test server update, the save TP amount for Hagakure will be increase from 35 to 40.

GODDAMN IT, NO

SAMURAI NEEDS NOTHING MORE. THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.

[Seha]

Camate is now on top of the hate list.
And I wanna see you blood tank all this, not evade like you've been doing.

[Esvedium]

THIS IS NOT BALANCE!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Camate is now on top of the hate list.
And I wanna see you blood tank all this, not evade like you've been doing.

To be fair, he's only the messenger.

[Mirabelle]

I can't believe they saw fit to fix a SAM ability while not addressing the overwhelming feedback from COR's and non-COR's alike.

How can Carnate even feel good about himself saying this change for the SAM JA was due to "feedback" No one has even commented in the billion posts about the SAM ability. What feedback?

/rant

I hate SE.

[Jomen]

So, sam gets a boost to Hagakure and everyone QQs? That isn't the point of this. Really SAM is, and has always been, about storing tp and using it effectively, the only job that comes close to it is dnc. For all you lolsams that only play it because you thought ukko and vere were getting nerfed. Go cry some where else, there's no point. If they nerf save tp and kept hagakure at the same level of save tp (I usually get 18-20 tp back on wses) then there'd be no point to the job ability besides tp bonus. I'm surprised no one has cried about us having a hagun ability, but whatevs.

As for the true nature of this, I don't agree with nerfs, but saying that SAM is being favored, in this case, is inaccurate. I don't like that they pulled power away from Corsair though. I feel like this was one of the main reasons why COR shined so much in the past few months. With their ability to fire off wildfires almost back to back with saving tp as well as buffing a party and making them go ws crazy haha. But honestly, I've never seen misers used outside of VW to begin with. Most of the time I see chaos/tact rolls in abyssea....or anywhere else that isn't VW. Still though, taking away utility from a job is pretty weak, no good se...no good.

[cidbahamut]

So, sam gets a boost to Hagakure and everyone QQs?

You're missing the point.

The Save TP change kicked Miser's Roll to the rubbish heap and nothing has been done to make Miser's Roll remotely viable. The SAM JA was hacked down to "moderately less useful than before but still useful" and SE comes along and gives it a boost, while conveniently ignoring Miser's Roll which is in dire need of some love now. Pair this with the long history of SE treating SAM as something of a favored job and there should be zero surprise that there is resentment over it and outright hostility.

[Aldersyde]

As for the true nature of this, I don't agree with nerfs, but saying that SAM is being favored, in this case, is inaccurate.

I want to hear you reasoning on this. The way I see it, SE trashed miser's roll, which pretty much made things worse for every other dd out there. Now, they're saying that hagakure is being boosted. It's a small boost, but it's still a boost. When I see the majority off dds being worse off and see one job given a boost for compensation, I'd say that there's some favoritism going on in regards to SAM.

But go ahead, show me how my thinking is wrong.

[Quetzacoatl]

Camate is now on top of the hate list.

I don't hate Camate, I hate the Development team at SE headquarters for thinking that they haven't boosted SAM enough, when it clearly is already overpowered