Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

[Starry]

4 runs mnk mnk brd whm war sam highest floor got was 98 timing out on that floor, so i dont see why ppl are complaining about oo i cant get up higher floors take a decent setup an dont suck youll get higher floors.

x2 pouches about 200 total Alexandrite


sad thing is ppl want everything now right then, if u got everything like that you will get bored.


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Actually your completly missing the point. It's not 'I want everything - right now' it's the feeling of 'advancment'. This new system lacks any itemization as everything is random and luck based. No skill / time commitment / effort / etc will generate better results(for the most part). No feeling of advancement is what irritates players and why this system is complete garbage.

[Yygdrasil]

Don't worry about it Starry. He's lying anyway. Trolls will be trolls. If he had completed a floor as high as 98, he wouldn't have posted "I don't know what you're all complaining about".

[Rezeak]

4 runs mnk mnk brd whm war sam highest floor got was 98 timing out on that floor, so i dont see why ppl are complaining about oo i cant get up higher floors take a decent setup an dont suck youll get higher floors.

x2 pouches about 200 total Alexandrite


sad thing is ppl want everything now right then, if u got everything like that you will get bored.


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Summary i got lucky and still got no gear

as a side note 200 alex isn't what we care about either way com back when you have 2-5 peices and +3 or HQ to prove us wrong.

As a side note you still had to clear 98 and kill the 100 boss so really wasn't near when ya timed out on 98 getting to 98 is about the same amount of effort as hitting 80 and clearing which we already said is possible but only 1%-2% of the time with the best group all pimped out.

Unless you found a way to get 7-9 jumps over and over then it really hasn't changed the point of this topic.

As it is atm the best groups

Can hit and kill boss 20 or 40, 60-80% of the time (they may choose to skip past it but if that was there aim it's v..easy to do)
Can hit 60 and kill boss like 20% of the time
Hit 80 and kill like 1-2 % of the time
Hit 100 and kill <1% of the time.

Really imo it should be

If you perform well you should be able to hit 60 60-80% of the time (this should be based more on skil that luck meaning if ya get bad floors you will still get to 60 as long as your group is doing it right

Then 80 30-40% of time (1 in 3 runs)

the 100 say 10-20% of the time (1 in 5-10 run)

[SpankWustler]

4 runs mnk mnk brd whm war sam highest floor got was 98 timing out on that floor, so i dont see why ppl are complaining about oo i cant get up higher floors take a decent setup an dont suck youll get higher floors.

x2 pouches about 200 total Alexandrite


sad thing is ppl want everything now right then, if u got everything like that you will get bored.


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If I had your luck, I'd be at the nearest large-scale gambling establishment right now rather than posting on a message board about FFXI.

Actually, with that kind of luck, the casinos of man would not suffice for me. I'd be attempting to evoke a demon so I could bet my soul in an attempt to win a haunted army tank made out of gold and diamonds.

[Vold]

what gets me is people always want to know more information. the light system was brought up in abyssea. people fail to realize that this is an Adventure game. and part of adventure is figuring shit out for yourself. if they release something and give you all the information about it, then there really is nothing to figure out for yourself, is there? it is an mmoRPG for a reason. and while some people complain about these events, i know a lot of people that love them. think of it as genres of music. i dont like rap bbut a lot of people do. events are kind of the same. not everyone is going to love every single event. the whole purpose of so many events is to give people choice. dont get me wrong, i am not saying the new nyzle doesnt need improvement. but saying that "this update should have never happened" is just plain dumb. so your saying that others should not have a choice in doing the event and take it out completely simply because a few people dont like it? ust because you dont like it, does not mean that no one likes it. get over yourself. and as for there being a lot of negativity on an event. stop listening to what others say and try it out for yourself. a little life lesson. dont always believe what you read.

Tell this stuff to the people who wiped to Absolute Virtue for years.

[facepalm slap to the forehead]ooooh man! All I had to do was figure out how to kill it? Dammit! Dammit dammit dammit!


I'm going to assume there is no special trick to it. You're meant to rarely see the high end floors, and if anyone pulls them off with regularity it's due to SE's lack of vision to prevent it from happening, hence yet another instance where they are surprised when the playerbase conquers their attempts at making us suffer with trial and error to produce the ultimate cookie cutter setup for success.

Many people do not enjoy the VW system of rewarding. But it works to get them hooked. They do it over and over and over and over and over and insert "and over" about a hundred more times just to get that piece of awesome sauce. I don't agree with a lot of what comes out of the SE camp but if there's one thing they did get right with their MMO endeavors, it's tapping into people's wired human instincts of wanting what they can't have.

So it boils down to option 1 or 2, with 1 being an exact copy of Nyzul but with better rewards to fit the new level cap or option 2 being designed to prolong it's use in the "holy shit they raped our staff for 14 development" era of FFXI. Once you understand why they chose option 2, it's up to you whether or not you'll let them get away with it or skip the content. If you do the content you have very very very little room to bitch. That's why Voidwatch has never undergone serious revamping. Because people do the very content they bitch about despite bitching up a storm. When you bitch and still do the content that tells SE there is no need for major readjustments. They can just throw you a bone to shut you up.

"No one" was doing CB or WoE at various stages of their existence. What happened? They got worked on, STAT. CB has been worked on time and again. WoE was put on the backburner moreso but now that it's at the frontburner it's getting a lot more attention. If people continue to do VW it will never see such progress. And if people do neo nyzul enmass it too will never see such progress. So if you don't like neo nyzul, don't eff'n do it. Don't just talk the talk, walk it. Or, you know, just let SE toy with your humanity to take advantage of your wallet.

[Karbuncle]

4 runs mnk mnk brd whm war sam highest floor got was 98 timing out on that floor, so i dont see why ppl are complaining about oo i cant get up higher floors take a decent setup an dont suck youll get higher floors.

x2 pouches about 200 total Alexandrite


sad thing is ppl want everything now right then, if u got everything like that you will get bored.


End of Story

Congratulations on your luck and clear fundamental grasp of Statistics and probability. O_O

I mean, We know getting to 100 Is possible, Its just that it relies on dumb luck. You reaching 98 and timing out means absolutely nothing except you got really really lucky. You didn't even bother bringing a Thief for drops, So in essence, You gave up drop rates for zerg speed just for the chance of reaching 100.

My group had a decent set up, Relics/Empyreans as far as the eye could see, highest we saw was floor 70. Does that mean we suck? No. Its called a Random Number Generator.

Thats the sole complaint. The Event has no progression at all and relies on a random number generator to keep us busy.

*edit:* Also, My Nyzul set up was THF(Mandau) WAR(Ukkon) MNK(Vereth), BLU(Almace), WHM, BRD (At one point the BLU left and we had a Kannagi NIN). All of them smart people, Played for a long time, Knew what they were doing, Good to top geared... Its just an Event that relies too heavily on luck.

We manage to kill Floor 60 boss and get Euxine Nails +2, but outside of that run (Ending on floor ~70) we couldnt get about 50, At one point, We went up 15 Times, Getting mostly 2's and 3's, and a 4 or so in there.

So no, As the many above me as sad, We're not looking for "I WANT IT NOW", As byrth(Ithink?) Asked just after the Dev comment, We want to know if there is some secret. Don't tell us the secret, We'll find it out ourselves, But we want to know if one exists, Or we really are looking at an entirely luck based event.

Thats all!

[Yygdrasil]

BLU owns house in Nyzul. I'll second that. Even a BLU with a half-ass gear set decimates mobs in Nyzul.

[mattkoko]

Tell this stuff to the people who wiped to Absolute Virtue for years.

[facepalm slap to the forehead]ooooh man! All I had to do was figure out how to kill it? Dammit! Dammit dammit dammit!


I'm going to assume there is no special trick to it. You're meant to rarely see the high end floors, and if anyone pulls them off with regularity it's due to SE's lack of vision to prevent it from happening, hence yet another instance where they are surprised when the playerbase conquers their attempts at making us suffer with trial and error to produce the ultimate cookie cutter setup for success.

Many people do not enjoy the VW system of rewarding. But it works to get them hooked. They do it over and over and over and over and over and insert "and over" about a hundred more times just to get that piece of awesome sauce. I don't agree with a lot of what comes out of the SE camp but if there's one thing they did get right with their MMO endeavors, it's tapping into people's wired human instincts of wanting what they can't have.

So it boils down to option 1 or 2, with 1 being an exact copy of Nyzul but with better rewards to fit the new level cap or option 2 being designed to prolong it's use in the "holy shit they raped our staff for 14 development" era of FFXI. Once you understand why they chose option 2, it's up to you whether or not you'll let them get away with it or skip the content. If you do the content you have very very very little room to bitch. That's why Voidwatch has never undergone serious revamping. Because people do the very content they bitch about despite bitching up a storm. When you bitch and still do the content that tells SE there is no need for major readjustments. They can just throw you a bone to shut you up.

"No one" was doing CB or WoE at various stages of their existence. What happened? They got worked on, STAT. CB has been worked on time and again. WoE was put on the backburner moreso but now that it's at the frontburner it's getting a lot more attention. If people continue to do VW it will never see such progress. And if people do neo nyzul enmass it too will never see such progress. So if you don't like neo nyzul, don't eff'n do it. Don't just talk the talk, walk it. Or, you know, just let SE toy with your humanity to take advantage of your wallet.

trust me, all that bull crap that they post just as you log into the game is complete bullshit. i know what ya mean. "please dont let your real life suffer due to this game." then they give you NMs with 24 hour spawns with great gear that everyone wants so they get over camped. or you have quests that you are stuck doing for hours. and all the best gear such as relics (when the cap was 75) took some people years depending on their constancy with the game.

what i laugh at is how people say they want things to be tougher like they used to. then, finally, SE makes it tougher. and then everyone cries how it is too hard. honestly, SE was doing better before they released the forum. every since they started listening to the people, they been screwing up a lot. sure it went down hill a little before then obviously. but ever since this forum released, it has got dramatically worse. so who is really to blame?

[Karbuncle]

trust me, all that bull crap that they post just as you log into the game is complete bullshit. i know what ya mean. "please dont let your real life suffer due to this game." then they give you NMs with 24 hour spawns with great gear that everyone wants so they get over camped. or you have quests that you are stuck doing for hours. and all the best gear such as relics (when the cap was 75) took some people years depending on their constancy with the game.

what i laugh at is how people say they want things to be tougher like they used to. then, finally, SE makes it tougher. and then everyone cries how it is too hard. honestly, SE was doing better before they released the forum. every since they started listening to the people, they been screwing up a lot. sure it went down hill a little before then obviously. but ever since this forum released, it has got dramatically worse. so who is really to blame?

Strictly Nyzul Speaking, nothing about nyzul is hard. Its random. I know maybe after years of FFXI is hard to believe, but there are ways to make difficulty without relying on randomness.

And if you look really hard, The people who wanted hard content? They weren't complaining when VW Content came out. The people who wanted easy content are the ones complaining.

So when we get Easy Content? Hard-cores Complain
So when we get Hard Content? Casuals Complain

Its not that "EVERYONE COMPLAINS!" its "Different groups complain when different outcomes come". The only people consistently complaining is the entire player-base who realizes that Random Number Generator is not an acceptable substitute for Difficulty.

And those of us who can clearly realize Random =/= Tough.

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[mattkoko]

Strictly Nyzul Speaking, nothing about nyzul is hard. Its random. I know maybe after years of FFXI is hard to believe, but there are ways to make difficulty without relying on randomness.

And if you look really hard, The people who wanted hard content? They weren't complaining when VW Content came out. The people who wanted easy content are the ones complaining.

So when we get Easy Content? Hard-cores Complain
So when we get Hard Content? Casuals Complain

Its not that "EVERYONE COMPLAINS!" its "Different groups complain when different outcomes come". The only people consistently complaining is the entire player-base who realizes that Random Number Generator is not an acceptable substitute for Difficulty.

And those of us who can clearly realize Random =/= Tough.

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i understand what your saying and i do agree that random sucks. i think it is messed up that the people that dedicate themselves will sometimes take months to finally get something they want and some noob will come waltzing in one single run and walk out with one of the best drops. i was mainly responding to Vold's comment on VW about the part with things being tough. also, i was over exaggerating the part when i said "everyone cries." the main point is one half will get pleased and the other half will not. which is why they make some events easy and some events tough.

but back to the nyzle stuff. all they really have to do to solve this random drop problem is to have no drops at all. instead, make it a point system where you can turn in for rewards at the end of the run. that will solve the randomness right there