Battle Balance Adjustment: TP Gained through Use of a Weaponskill

[SpankWustler]

It's not as bad as people are crying about. Doing Discipline + Coercion with Misers and Tacticians and getting 60+ TP back after each WS was getting broken. Players basically never stopped WSing. Now your can still stack those buffs and instead of 60+ TP your getting 30~40+ TP back. And considering you couldn't ever get that much back from a regular WS, then Misers isn't useless in any way, its just not overwhelming broken anymore.

Miser's Roll will be effectively useless outside of Voidwatch. It might add a few TP, but going back to Chaos/Something will be far more effective. You have successfully described the only situation in which Miser's Roll will still be useful: Voidwatch.

How Save TP from Miser's Roll interacts with Save TP from Atmacite could have been changed or the cap on Save TP could have been lowered. Instead, the Development Bros drowned the baby in the bath water didn't even bother throwing the mess out.

[Insaniac]

This throws Miser's roll down the gutter. They either pump the roll's values to about double the amount, or corsairs are just going back to lv 75 buffs. The idea about a tp return cap wasn't bad, but someone at SE simply isn't able to think creatively I guess, always use the worst possible solution for every problem.

The thing is the right option, the one I mention, is the least creative option. They went out of their way to think of a more creative and more ruinous method to nerf.

[Vivik]

To be honest, one of my biggest gripes about this nerf is a selfish one. I was really enjoying not having to shoot for TP in Viodwatch. Bullets on my server are on average of 400k a stack. That's about triple what they were when I started to level Corsair. I rather enjoy using Misers/Tactitions and only having to QD between WS for TP. It saves quite a bit on the cost of ammo.

Hey Bayohne, since the Devs threw BST a bone with recipes on jugs hows about they throw some towards COR and RNG on bullets too? The cost of shooting for TP is ridiculous! Make it happen. <3

[cidbahamut]

This is a terrible change and the devs should feel bad about themselves for coming up with it.

Miser's Roll needs to be adjusted for balance. I'm thinking...a value of 20 for the unlucky roll and it just goes up from there.

[Pootersmash]

I'm assuming the problem behind this change is the +40 save tp available in VoidWatch. If VW is the problem area, then i suggest they change that, not the underlying mechanic. I would 100% rather they nerf the atmacite, than the whole mechanic right now.

SE, please realize that this change makes the roll 100% useless to all DD.

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How many DD's have much less than 15tp per WS? meaning only 3 out of the 11 rolls are actually a buff now. and those three aren't really much of a buff. Please, change the atmacite instead or find some way to balance the trait in VW. Heck, Conserve TP instead of Save tp on the atmacite still might be usefull, but would solve your problem.

As for the sam "Buff" everyone is complaining about... Most sams get 20+tp per hit as is. so a save TP+20 JA wouldn't do anything. chance are they'll change it to +40 which will just keep it the same. but they wouldnt' have to do that if they fixed the actual problem area instead of altering a trait's mechanic

[Insaniac]

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For what they are trying to accomplish they can't do something like that. If they buff Miser's then we are back up to 60-70tp returns in VW even if you miss and they might as well not nerf it at all. The only sensible answer is to cap WS returns at something like 50tp.

[Insaniac]

As for the sam "Buff" everyone is complaining about... Most sams get 20+tp per hit as is. so a save TP+20 JA wouldn't do anything. chance are they'll change it to +40 which will just keep it the same. but they wouldnt' have to do that if they fixed the actual problem area instead of altering a trait's mechanic

When I talk about a SAM buff I'm not talking about the buff to the JA. What I mean is that the save TP nerf indirectly increases the disparity between SAM and other DDs WS frequency in VW.

[ZeroUnlimited]

It's not as bad as people are crying about. Doing Discipline + Coercion with Misers and Tacticians and getting 60+ TP back after each WS was getting broken. Players basically never stopped WSing. Now your can still stack those buffs and instead of 60+ TP your getting 30~40+ TP back. And considering you couldn't ever get that much back from a regular WS, then Misers isn't useless in any way, its just not overwhelming broken anymore.

This. I can see why they nerfed it and honestly I'm finding myself in agreement with it.

[Ica]

This. I can see why they nerfed it and honestly I'm finding myself in agreement with it.

No. They should have put a cap on it rather than nerf it completely. This makes having only a COR, or only the atmacite, completely useless.

[Vivik]

This. I can see why they nerfed it and honestly I'm finding myself in agreement with it.

You both fail to realize the usefulness of Misers outside of Voidwatch which is where it will be completely useless now. I really have no problem with the VW part of it. But VW is only one event.