Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring View Post
um... if you can train your party to work with a bard the way they are supposed to (i.e. stay in position and hold the mob's hate) then yes, you can use a bard for something other than haste. thus, boosted ballads for mages, etc. Scherzo on single tanked mobs, carols if it's into single element spamming, minuet if your hitting plenty often, but for only 0-20 damage, all that stuff.

Grant you, as a default (especially if you don't bother with hate control) double march and whatever enfeebs we can get is probably going to be your go-to song set, but a bard who's paying attention to party progress, especially if the party has both skill, chemistry and any sense of strategy being open to other possibilities on a situational basis can be MUCH more effective.

Most players only see what buffs can do for them, not the party, and the vast majority of players are melee DD. However, the bard job is PARTY SUPPORT, not just DD support. Not all parties are built that way. If your primary damage source is nukers, maybe you should consider doing things that boost nuking? Or boost hate on the tank considering that nukers tend to be 1-shotable... A bard who doesn't adapt to party needs (assuming the rest of the pt is actually fulfilling their role) is just contemptable.
You don't think I fucking know any of that? <.< Seriously, dude?

That doesn't even remotely relate to my other post because I wasn't at all saying "MARCH IS ALL THAT MATTERS, BARD'S SHOULDN'T SING CAROLS, SCHERZO, ETC."

Really?

My post was trying to evaluate the overall usefulness of "All Songs +4" and how this applies to our most important songs (March, Ballad, and Scherzo), although it would undoubtedly be affecting all of our songs. I simply came to the conclusion that "All Songs +4" is nice, but hardly an improvement over a Brd without Gjallarhorn, and that a third tier of March could potentially buff Gjallarhorn well.

I've never said once that Bard is only for Marches, and I'm a STRONG supporter of being a Brd that does more than just sing their songs and afk in a corner.

And you do realize that March can boost nuker's dmg as well, right? Since MP is such a non-issue now, March is easily one of the best songs TO be singing for Mages to help lower their recast timers. An Etude can be nice for larger Epeen Dmg, but March will provide much more for your mages (Marchx2 + Scherzo comes to mind for a Blm party on Botulus Rex).

So please, before you post stupid shit that doesn't even relate to an original post, just don't.