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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habiki View Post
    Removing the crit attack bonus is a bad idea, it hurts all warriors not just people with ukkos fury.

    Also in comparsion almost all emperian weapons are in need of nerfs not just ukkos fury and victory smite, either nerf them some or re-adjust relic mythic and merited weaponskills to a value where the can compete.
    These two statements contradict.

    Removing the crit damage buff from Blood Rage impacts the empyrean WS which are crit-based (ie. the very same WS you are calling for nerfs to).

    The high crit rate on Ukko's isn't so much the problem as the bonus damage from gear/abilities/ect. The increased crit rate will keep the WS more consistent but the nerf to crit damage will remove the big spikes you saw when stacked with Blood Rage.
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  2. #362
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scribble View Post
    These two statements contradict.

    Removing the crit damage buff from Blood Rage impacts the empyrean WS which are crit-based (ie. the very same WS you are calling for nerfs to).

    The high crit rate on Ukko's isn't so much the problem as the bonus damage from gear/abilities/ect. The increased crit rate will keep the WS more consistent but the nerf to crit damage will remove the big spikes you saw when stacked with Blood Rage.
    There are other weapon skills that crit besides ukkos fury that warrior has access to for instance raging rush, kings justice, vorpal blade, eviseration etc., and anyways how to do the statements you quoted contradict.

    One statemnt says not adding the crit atk boost they were going to add is stupid because it effects warrior as a whole not just one overpowered weaponskill.

    The next statement compares emperian weaponskills to relics, mythics, and merited weaponskills, and states that all emperian weaponskills are in need of a nerf compared to their relic,mythic, and merited counterparts since they trounce all over them. Either nerf them to be in the same ballpark as relics,mythics and merited weaponskills, or boost relic weaponskills, mythic weaponskills and merited weaponskills.

    Not all emperian weaponskills are overpowered in comparision to mythics relics and merited weaponskills, and in some cases the case could be made some merited relic and or mythic weaponskills could use a nerf.

    Samurai for instance the hierarchy from strongest to weakest weaponskills is Tachi: Shoha, Tachi: Fudo, Tachi: Kaiten, Tachi: Rana. Which shouldnt really be the case, considering the effort needed to obtain the various weaponskills, the hierarchy should be more like Tachi: Kaiten, Tachi Rana, Tachi Fudo, Tachi Shoha. In my opinion Tachi: Shoha and Tachi: Fudo need nerfed as well, Tachi: Kaiten is probably about right on dmg or could use a slight buff, tachi rana needs a buff bad.

    Sorry for jumping off topic some.
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  3. #363
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    They better come out with some damn good gear in the next patch...
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  4. #364
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habiki View Post
    One statemnt says not adding the crit atk boost they were going to add is stupid because it effects warrior as a whole not just one overpowered weaponskill.

    The next statement compares emperian weaponskills to relics, mythics, and merited weaponskills, and states that all emperian weaponskills are in need of a nerf compared to their relic,mythic, and merited counterparts since they trounce all over them. Either nerf them to be in the same ballpark as relics,mythics and merited weaponskills, or boost relic weaponskills, mythic weaponskills and merited weaponskills.
    Right, you say that the crit damage nerf on Blood Rage is stupid but that same crit damage nerf is a nerf to the other crit based Empyrean WS. Nerfing Blood Rage also nerfs the damage of Blade: Hi, Victory Smite ect.

    I somewhat agree with the strength of each weapon needing to be leveled out some, but you also have to consider the aftermath effects, the OAT and OD2-3 that these weapons have. You don't see the spike damage you might have for some of the merited WS, but procs and aftermath cover the gap.
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  5. #365
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    Why do you guys hate the messengers, they are just telling you what the developers are telling them to say.
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    99 Drk, 99 Sch, 99 Bst, 99 Geo and a ton of other jobs there
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  6. #366
    Player Washburn's Avatar
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    who else is anyone going to vent to? theyre the only ones that speak a da engrish that as any connection, so it's exactly who they should be venting on.

    If you order a pizza and it gets to your door with a bunch of crap on it you hate that turned the pizza from heaven to a miscarriage, tell me what you'd say to the pizza man...
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  7. #367
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    Quote Originally Posted by Washburn View Post
    If you order a pizza and it gets to your door with a bunch of crap on it you hate that turned the pizza from heaven to a miscarriage, tell me what you'd say to the pizza man...
    Well if it happened to a warrior then it wouldn't matter what they said because you couldn't make anything out over the loud sobbing.
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  8. #368
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    Since this is coming, we can only hope that war will still hold up decently as it does now. I hope SE is reminded of the work a player completed to obtain their weapons and shows interest in giving its player base more of what we want.
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  9. #369
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    "Waah don't nerf Ukko's so much!!!1111"

    'ok fine but now you won't get critical bonus JTs'

    Thanks a lot, whine brigade. Congratulations, you got the job nerfed instead of one weapon skill.
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  10. #370
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    I'm surprised that noone has caught on to this yet, but there is a really obvious reason as to why they're nerfing Blood Rage.

    Firstly let's look at what it does: Increases crit hit rate(which they're keeping)/damage for all members in the party.

    Now the reason they're nerfing it: SAM doesn't have a crit weapon skill.
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