Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

[Chriscoffey]

The company went to hell after they combined with Enix. They were both great RPG companies but Squaresoft was always the company when they said were releasing a game you knew it was special.

[Bookong]

Lazy. If you don't have an Empy, you are Lazy? According to what we all know, Empies are SOOO Easy to get, but how many Empy holders have a Relic/Mythic? IF not, why? Is it too hard to get? Too time consuming? Or are you Lazy?

I am Lazy. When I log in to play my game, I put on some comfy pants, kick my feet up, and become the most laziest useless human being. There's no agenda, no drama, no one telling me what to do, and absolutely no pressure from the world.

The point: Don't make Lazy a bad word. I like that word. Rather, use a word like... hmm... Content? Yeah, Content works, because like me, and a lot of people I know, we aren't really into the whole concept of having the best of the best. I am content with what I have that makes me functional at my jobs. Get what gets the job done and move on with your life.

If you have everything you want, I applaud you, because you worked hard for it and that's respectable. But don't call people's character into question into a negative light because they don't share the same goals as you.

Besides, half the people with the "Epic Win here Win there, Win Win everywhere" gear still don't know how to play the game. they just happened to be at the right place at the right time with the right people.

Hi, I am Avidon. Lazy and Proud. (It's what gaming is all about.)

THIS!!! one of the best said posts *ever*. thank you for finding the words i have not been able to string together myself!
i am bookong-lazy and proud with you, brother.

[Concerned4FFxi]

That's fine and dandy that people have different play styles and such, and want to relax. But nobody that uses a merited ws should be able to outdamage anyone with an empyrean/mythic/relic/woe weapon in similiar gear set. You dont want to make one that's fine, I wouldn't call anyone lazy for that, but when the developers think it's ok to make casual playing the same level as those who do invest more into the game, then you get people on here who are upset and call others names. the lazy comment is wrong, but the agruement behind it about merited ws being able to compete on the same level as empyreams and unko and war getting there power reduced not by a little but majorly is a big issue here.

Balance and risk/rewards is supposed to reward those who risk and work the hardest the most, otherwise we should all just be casual players. I don't spend days+++++ of solo farming for an empyrean or relic just to be doing the same ws damage as a casual player.

[Greatguardian]

It's not a major power reduction and it absolutely does not affect where WAR stands on a relative scale at all. People should've waited for testing to be concluded before having conniption fits. Now they just look stupid for crying over nothing.

That said, why in the bloody blue blazes do I actually agree with the rest of Amaday's post?

Why the hell are the rest of you making this happen?

Stop being dumb. I don't like this one bit.

[Mirabelle]

99 % of being a good player is gearing well, the other 1% is casting knowing when to cancel utsusemi

BS. 99% of being a good player is preparing for the fight properly and following the recipe for success without screwing up. Almost all NM battles can be defeated by players in average AH gear. They may go smoother with a few less people for the top geared players, but if everyone has adequate gear, almost all can be defeated. The upgrades for the top gear in this game have always only afforded modest improvements over lesser gear. That's half the populations complaint is that new gear and WS added since Abyssea have been too sidegradish. That's FFXI.

I also agree that using the term "lazy" in reference to videogame players is about as ludicrous as anything. Working hard in this game affords you no wage, no creature comforts, no long term security, no benefits. Anyone with a modicum of brains would realize its far more important to work hard in real life and relax in a gaming world, not the vice versa.

[hideka]

i hate to burst peoples bubbles but getting relics is cake now. getting 400 coins a run with 2 people is simple. you can get 2-4k coins in one night with a full alliance spread across a dream zone. a LS can finish a Relic in under a month, a solo person can finish in about 3-4 months. not nearly as bad as the 3 years it would take someone to do coins w/o buying back at 75.

[Greatguardian]

Wait, there are still people in this game gullible enough to have an entire alliance build one person's relic?

Some people never learn.

[Lafaiel]

Are they just trying to get ppl to use the GIMP new WAR/MONK Non-Crit WS?
Or maybe make it so lazy players who don't spend time making empy can have an edge over ppl who spent time to farm them.

This really pisses me off.

The problem with your line of thinking Seijuro is that you have it all wrong, the casuals have no care about that as they are the ones that probably have empy weapons. the ones that you probably have to blame are the ones that are not "lazy" as you call them and "worked" for thier relic weapons back in the day and do not like seeing all thier hard work get beaten by "lazy" johnny come lately much like youself who took the easy way out and got an empy when abyssea was released. I mean, look at it logically, what do the casuals care if you have a sword of pwn+1, they play thier game and have fun, but the ones that care that you outdamage them with some upstart weapon that only took you less than a year to get, those are the ones you might want to look at.

I think you're a bit too quick to lay blame here, you might as well call them baddies and keyboard turners, and put that empy of yours on your resume for your next job and tell them how great you are for having one.

[Ophannus]

I figured this was a joke thread because this it implies that WARs and MNKs with Empyrean weapons aren't lazy. By that logic Mythic and Relic Great Axe/h2h should be vastly superior compared to Empyrean since they require months, if not years to acquire while an emp can be done in minimum 2 days, average a week or two.

[Atomic_Skull]

How everyone who isn't a WAR or a MNK feels about this.