More nerfs for War & Ukkos.

[Scribble]

Not sure why you're asking, seeing how we don't know the extent of the nerf yet. It's not even on the test servers yet. It's possible they'll completely gimp the WS. It's also possible it won't be noticeable at all. We don't know yet.

Wait a fucking minute... You mean to tell me that all this bitching, all the fucking crying and moaning swirling around warriors now is about a nerf that NO ONE HAS TESTED!?!?! NO ONE EVEN KNOWS HOW MUCH THEY WILL BE EFFECTED??? Man, you guys... you don't need to be hit with the nerf hammer, you need to be mashed to a pulp and then bent over for being babies about nothing.

Just because your AF3 looks like a tiara doesn't mean you guys should act like princesses. Toughen up pussies.

[Arcon]

Wait a fucking minute... You mean to tell me that all this bitching, all the fucking crying and moaning swirling around warriors now is about a nerf that NO ONE HAS TESTED!?!?! NO ONE EVEN KNOWS HOW MUCH THEY WILL BE EFFECTED???

You seem to be bitching more than all the WARs in here combined. Also, the degree of the nerf doesn't matter at all for what people are complaining about. Even if they only lowered the critical hit rate by 5% it would still be a reason to complain, because it's not what people paid time and money for. They paid for the weapon we have right now, not a worse version of it. What if someone had to decide between which empyrean weapon to take to 95, and while other weapons weren't as good they would have preferred them. However, in the end they were swayed to go with Ukonvasara, because it was just good enough to overshadow the importance other weapon. Now SE go and nerf it, and whoever spent 200M gil on it basically just got an anal probe. Whether they lower the critical hit rate by 5% or 30%, it doesn't matter. That person got screwed for their decision, even though it was made completely rationally and to the best of their knowledge.

Uh, if it was overpowered, then it almost necessarily follows that nerfing it is not a dick move.

Selective reading much? I said like three times that it's the timing that bothers people, not the nerfing itself. If they realized it was a mistake (which should have taken them 10 weapon skills to figure out) and nerfed it, it would have been understandable. Leaving it like this for over a year, making people invest months and hundred millions of gil in this weapon, not a weaker version of the weapon, and then nerfing it - dick move. That's the difference. I'm not saying they're doing it deliberately to piss people off, but by doing this they clearly show no respect for people who invested major parts of their free time this last year into this achievement.

[scaevola]

I agree they delayed longer than they should have, but this is not a reason to never nerf it, ever. My heart bleeds for those intrepid unfortunates who braved the monumental task of killing Glavoid a bunch of times, but there it is. If you agree that Ukko's is too powerful (if indeed you agree with this, which you should, because it is), when could we have scheduled the nerf to come down so that it wouldn't be so offensive to your delicate sensibilities?

The best weapon in the game has been nerfed to....still be the best weapon in the game.

[scaevola]

Also, serious megalolz at people wringing their hands over OMG ALL MY HARD WORK after a year of sounding the drum about how anybody can get an 85 empyrean in less than a week.

[Arcon]

[..] when could we have scheduled the nerf to come down so that it wouldn't be so offensive to your delicate sensibilities?

Anytime before they added the 95 trial. Who cares about Glavoid? And even that takes some people weeks to finish, because they casually do it with a friend or two hunting NMs a few times a week, not farming KIs with an entire alliance to get it done in three days. But the real cock punch was doing that after they released a ridiculous trial knowing that people will spend massive amounts of money on it (and even if they didn't know before, they would after seeing for themselves).

Call it whatever you want, the amount hardly matters anyway. What matters is that people will feel betrayed by this. Why should they ever wanna invest in anything, knowing SE may gimp it at a whim? Was it a mistake of them to invest in it? You may say yes, but think about it... if this really was the best weapon, wouldn't that precisely be the reason why you'd invest in it? Or should we always wait a year to see if SE won't nerf it first, just to be safe?

[Chriscoffey]

Anytime before they added the 95 trial. Who cares about Glavoid? And even that takes some people weeks to finish, because they casually do it with a friend or two hunting NMs a few times a week, not farming KIs with an entire alliance to get it done in three days. But the real cock punch was doing that after they released a ridiculous trial knowing that people will spend massive amounts of money on it (and even if they didn't know before, they would after seeing for themselves).

Call it whatever you want, the amount hardly matters anyway. What matters is that people will feel betrayed by this. Why should they ever wanna invest in anything, knowing SE may gimp it at a whim? Was it a mistake of them to invest in it? You may say yes, but think about it... if this really was the best weapon, wouldn't that precisely be the reason why you'd invest in it? Or should we always wait a year to see if SE won't nerf it first, just to be safe?

Come tell me that after they shit down dark knights throat with that Apocalypse haste nerf cap. SE CAN and WILL blow any melee down to shit like they have dark as long as Sam is on top. Many people spent years to get Apocalypse for just that reason.

Yes it was broken but by your arguments sake it should still be top DD because of the vast amount of time spent which was way more than any Uko. warrior ever dreamed of spending. They took the zerg end game out of the zerg end game job and gave it to every other melee which now have way more potential. I guess cry me a fucking river because dark has dealt with this for a long time now with SE trolling them.

It just amazes me at the same people who spent their time saying dark are emo melee are the same ones blowing up the forums with this emo shit. This isn't even a bad nerf compared to the shit dark has been trolled with. Hell let me have a RR version for scythe(same mods)to use and I would be happy.

[Scribble]

You seem to be bitching more than all the WARs in here combined. Also, the degree of the nerf doesn't matter at all for what people are complaining about. Even if they only lowered the critical hit rate by 5% it would still be a reason to complain, because it's not what people paid time and money for. They paid for the weapon we have right now, not a worse version of it. What if someone had to decide between which empyrean weapon to take to 95, and while other weapons weren't as good they would have preferred them. However, in the end they were swayed to go with Ukonvasara, because it was just good enough to overshadow the importance other weapon. Now SE go and nerf it, and whoever spent 200M gil on it basically just got an anal probe. Whether they lower the critical hit rate by 5% or 30%, it doesn't matter. That person got screwed for their decision, even though it was made completely rationally and to the best of their knowledge.

You spent time for a great weapon and Ukon is still a great weapon. The relatively miniscule time investment to get said weapon to a point where it's above all other options is so small that it magnifies the amount of tears being shed here. You'd have a point if it took more than a week, and that's pacing yourself, to actually acquire it. You'd have a point if it were nerfed below any of the other GA currently available.

If you paid for a Ukon(pre 90) then you were doinitwrong. Unless you actually have a 95 Ukon then the investment in plates doesn't apply to the argument. The level 90 version is still atop the rest of your options iirc. Even at level 90, pre-nerf this weapon was overpowered and at worst will make the playing field level again. Problem? Solved.

I have nothing against warriors in general, but I can't subscribe to feeling bad for them because their greatest weapon, which remains their greatest weapon post-nerf, is now omgawesome instead of wtfoverpowered.

Edit: There are many people spending their precious time and money for weapons that don't provide as much benefit to their damage dealing capabilities as a nerfed Ukon will for a warrior...

[Arcon]

You spent time for a great weapon and Ukon is still a great weapon. The relatively miniscule time investment to get said weapon to a point where it's above all other options is so small that it magnifies the amount of tears being shed here. You'd have a point if it took more than a week, and that's pacing yourself, to actually acquire it. You'd have a point if it were nerfed below any of the other GA currently available.

No, it takes you a week, pacing yourself. It takes most people weeks, playing as they can. Call it "doinitwrong" if you want, it doesn't change the fact that many people invest a whole lot of effort into it. If that effort was ill-spent or not, that's another issue entirely.

I hate this thread. Not because of the legitimacy of the complaint (which there is), but because people post in it for the wrong reasons. Which gives people like you fuel to go against them. Most of what you said is right. Whining about the actual nerf before we know what it is is retarded (as I also pointed out in the 99 trial thread, which is equally useless). But people do have a right to complain about SE punishing them for a decision they made based on the facts that SE presented us with over a year ago, which they're now about to change (namely, the factual strength of the weapon).

Edit: There are many people spending their precious time and money for weapons that don't provide as much benefit to their damage dealing capabilities as a nerfed Ukon will for a warrior...

They do so of their own free will though. They know that their effort isn't for the best empyrean weapon and they're ok with it (apparently, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it). This is not about a strength comparison, this is about us being able to trust SE with what they do.

Sadly, this game is a large timesink. And sadly, some decisions will cost a whole lot of that. So before we invest into something, we want to know what it does, we want to know exactly how hard it will be to achieve and what we will gain from it. Otherwise you can expect a shitstorm from the community, as can be witnessed here. SE should have known better.

[Scribble]

No, it takes you a week, pacing yourself. It takes most people weeks, playing as they can. Call it "doinitwrong" if you want, it doesn't change the fact that many people invest a whole lot of effort into it. If that effort was ill-spent or not, that's another issue entirely.

I have no issue with people putting in effort. If you are paying for people to farm items for you prior to plates then yes, you're doinitwrong because you don't actually put forth that effort(farming aside). You say you're being punished, but you still don't know to what extent or if it ever requires the weight that the word 'punishment' brings.

This is not about a strength comparison, this is about us being able to trust SE with what they do.

I disagree. Most people are upset because job x will now be closer to their output. Those who are reserving judgement until the changes are implemented are at least being reasonable about it, but I'd guess that most of those wouldn't be bothered to go beyond 90 Ukon anyway.