New equipment, thoughts?

[Doombringer]

there's definetly more options now, but it still feels sparse, and sorta patchworked. like saevel said about body pieces in the other thread.. he's still using an acp body.. I'M still using an assault jerkin?.... or i guess i have a pahluwahn body if i wanted to change my look but until somebody measures that crit bonus i have to assume it's nothing.

plus ws gear.. don't even get me started... why not alcides set? i get no loki's, but no alcides?

don't get me wrong, rancor collar, atheling mantle, goading belt, phasmida belt, zelus tiara, calmecac trouseras, tumbler trunks, and now rubeus spats.. things HAVE improved. i just feel that there are still a few blatently weak slots.

[ManaKing]

This stuff isn't the hardest to acquire either. You can get it yourself or grab it off the AH, at least some of it. The chest is still the illusive piece none of us can actually acquire yet. My best bet right now is TPing it a decently Aug'd Blood Scale Chest and then WS in an Antares Harness or ACP chest w/ Crit and Double attack.

I like the Helm, I would have been pissed if they had given away our pimp hat to others and didn't give us something in return.

[Doombringer]

that to, if you get lucky with augments crimson scale mail can make a respectable body piece, but i hate the randomness of that entire system. plus you need a nearly ideal augment for it to be legitimately "good"

edit: also, i think AJ would be better than antares for cdc unless you're capping attack, acp body is interesting though. sort of a spike vs. consistency thing.. but how much spike vs. how much consistency.. again prolly depends on where your att. lands vs the mobs def.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I typically have Antares winning actually... Best I could get was AJ being equal, at high accuracy low attack low dDex situation.

[saevel]

that to, if you get lucky with augments crimson scale mail can make a respectable body piece, but i hate the randomness of that entire system. plus you need a nearly ideal augment for it to be legitimately "good"

edit: also, i think AJ would be better than antares for cdc unless you're capping attack, acp body is interesting though. sort of a spike vs. consistency thing.. but how much spike vs. how much consistency.. again prolly depends on where your att. lands vs the mobs def.

Depends, I try to use the 3~4 attack vs 1 DEX rule. It's not always accurate, especially when the monster has ridiculous defence, but it's served me rather well. 9 Dex would require 20~30 attack to beat out on CDC. Remember it's not only WSC but also dDex and +acc, although honestly capped Acc during CDC is easy with our WS gear.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: 10 Dex belt actually does beat Cuch unless you're not benefitting from dDEX and/or attack is low. Going to change opinion of it.

[saevel]

EDIT: 10 Dex belt actually does beat Cuch unless you're not benefitting from dDEX and/or attack is low. Going to change opinion of it.

Dare I ask what defense value your plotting all this against. Is it that same ridiculous 560 number that I've only seen Demons in Xarc and a few VWNMs have?

[Neisan_Quetz]

420 500 and 560 or so. Varies abit depending on other gear/food, they're pretty close. If it contributes to dDEX it beats cuch, tends to lag slightly otherwise.

It's an upgrade but not one I'd immediately prioritize.


EDIT: Dia 3 is assumed on as well, food varies depending on target.

[saevel]

420 500 and 560 or so. Varies abit depending on other gear/food, they're pretty close. If it contributes to dDEX it beats cuch, tends to lag slightly otherwise.

It's an upgrade but not one I'd immediately prioritize.


EDIT: Dia 3 is assumed on as well, food varies depending on target.

420~450 would be a high defense monster over 100. Monsters defense growth really isn't that high. Lv 80~85 mobs had 310~330 defense for example. Kirin at level 92 had something like 350. Other then PLD mobs or Kindred's you really don't see high defense. 500+ is getting into the ridiculously high defense, only special monsters or NMs have that, or have a buff that gives them that defense (Crabs / Turtles).

[Doombringer]

my thinking has sorta been that if my att is high enough that adding more att wouldn't help, i'm probably going to destroy that mob anyway. so i've definitely valued att a little higher than is probably normal, if for no reason other than saving inventory and macro slots.

but i dunno, what's a good benchmark to be at for attack in ws? assuming normal mobs in the low it to high vt range? (since again, if it's weaker than that i'm not to concerned with building for it) i DID finish my str shamshir+3, combined with my AJ it's not unthinkable that i might have higher than normal or maybe even higher than needed att..