Newest interview (abyssea was a mistake?)

[Kimble]

Honestly, I don't remember the last challenging thing FFXI had to offer. And im talking way before abyssea too.

[Zaknafein]

Sad, but true. It's either got training wheels on it. Or else it's AV. Has to be a happy medium there somewhere.

[Runespider]

Honestly, I don't remember the last challenging thing FFXI had to offer. And im talking way before abyssea too.

Only time things were "difficult" was when nobody shared information or at least few knew about places that did. Now with BG (and some others sites) it's all disected in a short time after events. If the nature of FF players changed to be more selfish the fights would all start to stump a large portion of the playerbase.

Salvage is probably main event I can think of that would of not been as widely done (or at least not so successfully) if not for "goto BG and find out how to do everything". Couldn't just watch fights like many crappy bot HNM shells did either since it was blocked off.

As with everything in FFXI a few of the "elite/number crunchers/dat searchers etc" find out the best way to do everything, full starts, the tricks etc and they post it and then the majority of the rest of us copy it and say how easy it all is. I'd love to see how easy all the new content would be seen as if all the sharing of info ceased overnight, vast majority of the playerbase would be unable to kill anything new..or even pop them.

[Nynja]

Probably thinking about the NMs. All of the +2 NMs have some sort of permanent meditate effect.

No...they dont. Go hop on thief, presuming you have it leveled, beat a mob down to 25%, then backtank it and dont give it TP. At 25% it will use TP when it hits 100%...if it uses TP moves without TP being given to it, it has a regain effect. If you can successfully backtank it without getting any TP moves

I went thru my logs for a lusca fight, but my mules mnk doesnt exactly evade anything, but I did find this Sobek parse where I was trying to coast thru it with an underlvled whm mule and trying to mooch thf xp for my other mule (so no stuns for tyrant), where I got 1shot early on:

[02:13:39]Sobek takes 110 points of damage.

[02:13:40]Kehhiko starts casting Cure V on Kehhiko.

[02:13:42]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:13:45]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:13:46]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:13:46]Sobek takes 147 points of damage.

[02:13:47]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:13:47]Sobek takes 78 points of damage.

[02:13:48]Sobek starts casting Sleepga II.

[02:13:49]Sobek is out of range.

[02:13:52]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:13:53]Vermy starts casting Cure on Nynja.

[02:13:54]Nynja is no longer asleep.

[02:13:55]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:13:56]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:13:57]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:13:57]Sobek casts Sleepga II.

[02:13:57]Nynja is asleep.

[02:13:59]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:00]Vermy casts Cure.

[02:14:00]Nynja recovers 36 HP.

[02:14:01]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:02]Kehhiko starts casting Reraise on Kehhiko.

[02:14:03]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:05]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ichi.

[02:14:05]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:14:07]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:07]Sobek takes 133 points of damage.

[02:14:07]Sobek readies Awful Eye.

[02:14:08]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:08]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:08]Sobek takes 117 points of damage.

[02:14:09]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:14:14]Sobek uses Awful Eye.

[02:14:14]No effect on Nynja.

[02:14:15]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:15]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:15]Sobek takes 103 points of damage.

[02:14:16]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:16]Sobek takes 121 points of damage.

[02:14:17]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:17]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:14:20]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:14:23]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:23]Sobek takes 126 points of damage.

[02:14:24]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:24]Nynja readies Evisceration.

[02:14:24]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:24]Sobek takes 115 points of damage.

[02:14:25]Nynja scores a critical hit!

[02:14:25]Sobek takes 99 points of damage.

[02:14:25]Nynja hits Sobek for 51 points of damage.

[02:14:26]Sobek is out of range.

[02:14:27]Nynja uses Evisceration.

[02:14:27]Sobek takes 1528 points of damage.

[02:14:28]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:30]Sobek starts casting Paralyga.

[02:14:35]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:14:35]Vermy starts casting Paralyna on Nynja.

[02:14:35]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:14:35]Nynja is no longer paralyzed.

[02:14:35]You must wait longer to use that spell.

[02:14:37]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Nynja.

[02:14:38]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:39]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:40]Sobek casts Paralyga.

[02:14:40]Nynja receives the effect of paralysis.

[02:14:40]Vermy casts Paralyna.

[02:14:40]Vermy successfully removes Nynja's paralysis.

[02:14:42]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:43]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:14:44]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:44]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ni.

[02:14:44]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:14:45]Kehhiko starts casting Haste on Nynja.

[02:14:46]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:47]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:47]<Roseofsin> it's supposed to be easy

[02:14:50]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:51]<Roseofsin> mt

[02:14:51]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:14:52]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:53]Kehhiko casts Haste.

[02:14:53]Nynja gains the effect of Haste.

[02:14:54]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:56]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:58]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:14:59]<Nynja> sorry, Imeant to say

[02:15:00]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:02]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:03]<Nynja> 1shot by tyrant at 90%

[02:15:04]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:07]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:07]Sobek starts casting Dispelga.

[02:15:08]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:10]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:15:12]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:15:12]Nynja's Haste effect wears off.

[02:15:17]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:17]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:15:18]Sobek casts Dispelga.

[02:15:18]Nynja's Haste effect disappears!

[02:15:18]Vermy starts casting Haste on Nynja.

[02:15:19]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:19]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ichi.

[02:15:19]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:15:21]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:23]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:25]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:15:25]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:27]Vermy casts Haste.

[02:15:27]Nynja gains the effect of Haste.

[02:15:27]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:29]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:31]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:33]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:34]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:35]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:38]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:42]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:43]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:46]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:50]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:51]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:15:53]Sobek starts casting Sleepga II.

[02:15:57]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:15:58]Vermy starts casting Cure on Nynja.

[02:15:59]You must wait longer to use that spell.

[02:15:59]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:15:59]Nynja is no longer asleep.

[02:16:00]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:01]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Nynja.

[02:16:01]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:01]Sobek casts Sleepga II.

[02:16:01]Nynja is asleep.

[02:16:04]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:04]Vermy casts Cure.

[02:16:04]Nynja recovers 36 HP.

[02:16:05]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:08]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ni.

[02:16:08]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:16:08]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:09]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:12]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:16:13]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:16]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:17]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:20]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:21]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:24]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:26]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:26]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:28]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:30]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:32]Sobek starts casting Sleepga II.

[02:16:34]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:35]Vermy starts casting Cure on Nynja.

[02:16:35]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:16:37]Nynja is no longer asleep.

[02:16:37]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:16:38]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:40]Sobek casts Sleepga II.

[02:16:40]Nynja is asleep.

[02:16:41]Vermy casts Cure.

[02:16:41]Nynja recovers 36 HP.

[02:16:42]Nynja's casting is interrupted.

[02:16:42]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:42]Gukumatz is paralyzed.

[02:16:43]Kehhiko starts casting Cure VI on Nynja.

[02:16:44]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:44]Vermy starts casting Cure IV on Nynja.

[02:16:44]Sobek hits Nynja for 382 points of damage.

[02:16:45]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:16:46]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:50]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:50]Kehhiko casts Cure VI.

[02:16:50]Nynja recovers 420 HP.

[02:16:51]Vermy casts Cure IV.

[02:16:51]Nynja recovers 0 HP.

[02:16:51]Nibu readies Cyclone.

[02:16:52]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:16:54]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ichi.

[02:16:54]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:16:54]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:56]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:16:59]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:01]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:02]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:17:04]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:17:07]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:10]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:10]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:12]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:17:12]Sobek starts casting Sleepga II.

[02:17:15]Nynja's Stoneskin effect wears off.

[02:17:16]Vermy starts casting Cure on Nynja.

[02:17:16]You must wait longer to use that spell.

[02:17:18]Nynja is no longer asleep.

[02:17:18]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:18]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Nynja.

[02:17:19]Unable to cast spells at this time.

[02:17:21]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:21]Sobek casts Sleepga II.

[02:17:21]Nynja is asleep.

[02:17:23]Vermy casts Cure.

[02:17:23]Nynja recovers 0 HP.

[02:17:24]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:24]Nibu starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Nibu.

[02:17:26]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ni.

[02:17:26]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:17:26]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:27]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:28]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:33]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:35]Elvaanmoq starts casting Cure V on Nibu.

[02:17:35]Vermy starts casting Reraise on Vermy.

[02:17:35]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:37]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:17:40]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:42]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:44]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:45]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:45]Nynja is no longer weakened.

[02:17:47]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:17:47]Kehhiko starts casting Cure VI on Nynja.

[02:17:49]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:50]We had best step up our preparations.

[02:17:52]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:17:53]Sobek starts casting Paralyga.

[02:17:53]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:17:54]Kehhiko casts Cure VI.

[02:17:54]Nynja recovers 1188 HP.

[02:17:57]Vermy starts casting Paralyna on Nynja.

[02:17:57]Nynja's Copy Image effect wears off.

[02:17:58]Nynja is no longer paralyzed.

[02:17:59]Kehhiko starts casting Cure V on Nynja.

[02:18:00]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:18:01]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:18:02]Elvaanmoq starts casting Dia II on Gukumatz.

[02:18:02]Nibu starts casting Utsusemi: Ni on Nibu.

[02:18:02]Nynja's Stoneskin effect wears off.

[02:18:02]Sobek casts Paralyga.

[02:18:02]Nynja receives the effect of paralysis.

[02:18:03]Vermy casts Paralyna.

[02:18:03]Vermy successfully removes Nynja's paralysis.

[02:18:03]Sobek hits Nynja for 74 points of damage.

[02:18:04]Nynja's casting is interrupted.

[02:18:04]Sobek hits Nynja for 391 points of damage.

[02:18:06]Kehhiko casts Cure V.

[02:18:06]Nynja recovers 623 HP.

[02:18:07]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:08]Nynja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on Nynja.

[02:18:10]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:18:11]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:12]Vermy starts casting Haste on Nynja.

[02:18:13]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:15]1 of Nynja's shadows absorbs the damage and disappears.

[02:18:16]Nynja casts Utsusemi: Ichi.

[02:18:16]Nynja gains the effect of Copy Image.

[02:18:18]Vermy starts casting Cure IV on Kehhiko.

[02:18:18]Unable to see Sobek.

[02:18:19]Vermy casts Haste.

[02:18:19]Nynja gains the effect of Haste.

[02:18:19]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:20]Kehhiko uses a dusty elixir
.

[02:18:21]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:23]Sobek misses Nynja.

[02:18:23]Kehhiko starts casting Cure V on Kehhiko.


Sorry for the long paste, but I wanted to prove my point. It used Awful Eye at 2:14:07, and then no TP moves for over 4 minutes until I finished unweakening? No...lol

[Greatguardian]

I can also confirm from way too much bloody experience with Abyssea NMs that even the Heroes T3Emp NMs don't all have Regain. It's fairly simple to feed them net 0 TP if you want to, it's just rarely worth the time.

[Kimble]

I remember it was like that for SW and Ixion battles. Was tough for like a week till it was figured out. Then just became easy like anything else in game.

[Sparthos]

Shinryu without brews @90 was tough.

[Psxpert2011]

The problem with Abyssea, as I've stated before, is that they didn't have a fourth add-on that carried it all the way to the new permanent cap. To put it another way, The worst part about Abyssea is that there isn't more of it.

Abyssea basically modernized FFXI. It finally came in line with it's successors. Heck, in some ways it crossed the line and became more player friendly than even the friendliest MMOs out there. As far as battle systems go, while not perfect, it is by far SE's best work.

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Yes, some can argue that but it can be either an expansion all on it's own with a dead end which has no ties what so ever and SE can take the base story of Vana diel and create more new content. Maybe we will have a cap of lv.99 but I can only imagine the grins on the faces of the developers....

"We can cap everyone on the new expansion which has nothing to do with abysea, the main story line or Vana diel what so ever! Create the new system, get going! Abysea will be it's own world and <enter your own expansion name here> will be more tied into Vana diel then ever! We will bring back balance!" >=3

Since Abysea is an isolated scenario and you can't use your superman power outside, can this be based on truth? Could SE develop a whole new "Chains of Promathia" with lv. caps and better challenges than before up till the mega boss @ lv.99?

No...

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Sorry for the long paste, but I wanted to prove my point. It used Awful Eye at 2:14:07, and then no TP moves for over 4 minutes until I finished unweakening? No...lol

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(w... t... f...!) v.v

[Luvbunny]

If there is one thing I find highly moronic it is people who say "If you want a challenge do x,y, or z." No buffs, no atma blah blah ...No TY. When players ask for a challenge they are asking for an event that is exactly that. A challenge. No extra buffs/temp items/freeRR. Period.

I want an event where it requires some teamwork, and if you don't have the social skills or game knowledge to work with the bare basics then you will fail. Not an artificially created difficulty for myself that some noobs can accomplish also simply because the event was designed WAY too easy in the 1st place.

SE needs to develop two paths for end game.

A path for people who just want to coast, and a path for those willing to organize to excel at it. Doesn't seem like that hard of concept.

Perhaps you would like to play Dark Souls or Demon Souls? That game is exactly that - challenging and very hard. FFXI is perfect for me now - it has all kind of options and gazilion things to do - and all are doable with very minimal challenge, can be done solo or with small group and a lot less headache. The current playstyle is great - you no longer need big LS to accomplish most of the things in the game. I found Voidwatch is still a challenge for the majority of the players - with a downgrade contents and good accessories.

To be honest I am not looking forward the "go back to the old days" type of content where it takes years to get anything done (which some players called "dedication"). At the same token, I can quit and come back six months later knowing nobody gets anything done since it's not yet a year or more lol - so I don't feel like I get left behind

[Nynja]

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(w... t... f...!) v.v

Since the "playstation expert" cant read logs...thats me backtanking Sobek while I'm weak and dont want to feed TP since with 800 HP Tyrant Tusk will clearly 1shot me. That's me shooting down the theory of "all abyssea mobs have regain and are spammy".