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  1. #501
    Player Runespider's Avatar
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    I will happily grind my way through WoE and VW until I get everything I want. I simply haven't gotten to it yet outside of my linkshell events. Easy gear is easy gear and, as this thread has proven wonderfully, once gear has become easy enough to obtain, you might get excluded if for some reason you don't have it. That's something happening in WoW. They call it gearscore.
    You need 18 people to do VW, what happens when you can't get 18 people..punishing drop rates on soso gear turn people off the event. Also I've done a mass amount of VW in the last few months and have almost nothing to show for it, gl trying to get any of it playing as a casual.

    It's much better than abyssea where 90% of the time I need to turn away from the mob so we can proc.
    VW is all about procs, on the higher tier stuff it's proc or die and if you don't have fanatics/fools up you gtfo before you get killed by stupid high aoe.
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    If you're turned 90% of the time waiting to proc on not visions mobs you or someone else in your party is doing something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz View Post
    If you're turned 90% of the time waiting to proc on not visions mobs you or someone else in your party is doing something wrong.
    Why? Sometimes getting the WS clue takes a 7-8 WS. Then when only the WAR can do it, you have to wait for them to charge. And then sometimes you have a spammy mob that getting a clean WS off is a challenge. There's lots of times DD are spent "off" the mob waiting on proc or the proc clue to avoid an early non-proc'd death.
    Or plenty of times getting that yellow proc takes time and no one wants the mob dead until then so DD are again turned around waiting for the "kirr" call.
    Admittedly "90%" might be hyperbole by the author of the post, but its not totally without merit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirabelle View Post
    Why? Sometimes getting the WS clue takes a 7-8 WS. Then when only the WAR can do it, you have to wait for them to charge. And then sometimes you have a spammy mob that getting a clean WS off is a challenge.
    What the hell is a spammy mob? The only time a mob will be "spammy" to the point of being unable to get a clean shot in is if theres 6 people wailing away on it or theres multiple people on it sub 25%. You know those mobs that people claim "have regain at low HP"...they dont. Theyre just tools who throw 6 poorly geared melee at it then get overwhelmed by TP moves.

    Which begs the queston, why the hell do you have a group of 6 melee in abyssea ?!?
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    Last edited by Nynja; 12-09-2011 at 04:42 AM.

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    What I think Aarahs is talking about is the short life span the mob has after all the proc's are made. Normally they don't last 20 seconds after melee is told to "KILL IT!" Any one who's not on the Tank/proc/thf squad basically gets in 20 seconds of useful time. Before they have to wait on the side lines for the next pop. When it come to VW and WOE there's a lot less of that. Tho in VW you do have to watch yourself. You can go down quick if your not careful.
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    Why would you have anyone who's not on the tank/proc (same thing) / thf squad there in the first place?

    Waste of resources. If you have spare people, go kill a second NM or have the extras farm pops or something.
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    You can only do that so much before you're overflooding the treasure pool with drops. It gets to the point where the leader has to tell people to stop popping/pulling. And I might have been overstating the 90%, but not by much. 20 seconds after all proc sounds about right for most NMs.
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    Last edited by Aarahs; 12-09-2011 at 06:45 AM.
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    I think voidwatch is not as bad as a lot of people feel - it sure can use some improvement. Points system similar to nyzul, einherjar and assaults would be a great fix so that if you want the gears - you use points, and let the accessories armor drop as normal since these you can sell for good amount of gils. The developer is right for not allowing trading - otherwise most people will have the gears and stop doing voidwatch. Since you do not need to kill x amount of NMs for random seals, and more NMs for plus 2 items, voidwatch drop has to be rare. But point systems would easily fix this and make the armors obtainable via point systems. There are great things about abyssea and good things about old contents - the developer needs to be able to learn from the past 10 years and pick the best system and move FF11 forward for the next 5 years. Think of the paying costumers and the brand itself - and put aside egos, pride, and office politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Why would you have anyone who's not on the tank/proc (same thing) / thf squad there in the first place?

    Waste of resources. If you have spare people, go kill a second NM or have the extras farm pops or something.
    Things could go wrong and you could use the support, you could be doing zone bosses, using up every ones pops at the end of the night. Need some ones random skills for some odds and ends. Could be a lot of reason's.
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    Last edited by tyrantsyn; 12-09-2011 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    What the hell is a spammy mob? The only time a mob will be "spammy" to the point of being unable to get a clean shot in is if theres 6 people wailing away on it or theres multiple people on it sub 25%. You know those mobs that people claim "have regain at low HP"...they dont. Theyre just tools who throw 6 poorly geared melee at it then get overwhelmed by TP moves.

    Which begs the queston, why the hell do you have a group of 6 melee in abyssea ?!?
    Sedna spans like hell even with one person on it there's more mobs that do the same. Ironclads can also be problematic because of their tp moves and their regular attacks.
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