Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Miera]

I know how it was like back in the day because I was told about how it was. I only started playing Back in 08 so I was used to ToAU. You shouldn't have to blame the zones for being unfriendly to certain jobs, infact that's not it at all, you should be more upset with the players for wanting to only kill mobs that were unfriendly to mages like the colibri. There are other things people could be Xping on other than those retarded pink birds, Its not the expansions fault that people only want to just kill them.

[Kuishen]

I know how it was like back in the day because I was told about how it was. I only started playing Back in 08 so I was used to ToAU. You shouldn't have to blame the zones for being unfriendly to certain jobs, infact that's not it at all, you should be more upset with the players for wanting to only kill mobs that were unfriendly to mages like the colibri. There are other things people could be Xping on other than those retarded pink birds, Its not the expansions fault that people only want to just kill them.

/facepalm

APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO ABYSSEA.

Good holy god people are retarded.

[Greatguardian]

I know how it was like back in the day because I was told about how it was. I only started playing Back in 08 so I was used to ToAU. You shouldn't have to blame the zones for being unfriendly to certain jobs, infact that's not it at all, you should be more upset with the players for wanting to only kill mobs that were unfriendly to mages like the colibri. There are other things people could be Xping on other than those retarded pink birds, Its not the expansions fault that people only want to just kill them.

You shouldn't have to blame Abyssea for being unfriendly to newer players, in fact that's not it at all, you should be upset with players for only wanting to exp there and not in the overworld where low level players can get real parties. There are other things people could be exp'ing on other than those Abyssean fiends, it's not the expansion's fault that people only want to just kill them.

[rog]

Sill no valid reason why the minimum level should be raised. I'm starting to think such a reason does not exist.

[Kuishen]

Sill no valid reason why the minimum level should be raised. I'm starting to think such a reason does not exist.

Because there isn't.

[Dubberrucky]

Many reasons have been stated in this thread on both sides you simply choose not to acknowledge an opposing view.

[Kuishen]

Many reasons have been stated in this thread on both sides you simply choose not to acknowledge an opposing view.

All and I mean ALL have been shot down with simple logic or using your own logic against you. So in a sense, you're right. I choose not to acknowledge something that is stupid and/or wrong.

[Miera]

My word, resorting to calling people names, you are so good at debating.

You miught as well agree to disagree my friend

[Damane]

This is why we need to get rid of all of these easy ways to get exp that prevent people from properly earning their levels. Get rid of FOV, get rid of ToAU camps, WotG camps, Campaign, Besieged, and those silly Heroes Reflections things. EXP rewards from battlefields should also be eliminated, level caps on CoP areas and level sync for equipment in those zones should be reversed. People need to earn their Rajas rings too.

Do you like to suffer or are you a Masochist? 3k per hour PTs that were the standard in 2004.
Besides there is a logic why SE makes things easier. Go try find a normal PT past lvl 30. Good luck with it.

[Alkalinehoe]

Are you seriously trying to compare hitting a WS macro over and over to tactically setting up a Skillchain and Magic Burst that requires coordination from the entire party? The fact remains that even in the days of Bibiki Bay parties, DDs were required to be awake and alert instead of a zombie whose participation is limited to 1-2 macros and has no input from the rest of the group so no, it's not even a close comparison.

That "tactful" way of setting up a SC/MB was still inferior to spamming WS. Sure it takes coordination from a few players, but it did overall less damage.

Who cares if the DDs were being "zombies" if shit died faster? When I join EXP parties, I'd rather get exp and get done with it then setting up a SC/MB for the "lulz."