Disturbing a cleave PT on purpose to hurt a group, [again or not again ToS?]

[Nynja]

I dont think this guy actually cleaves mobs for chests, but to "rid vanadiel of cleave nubs"

[Ilax]

Hmm, so instead having GM fix the issue, we have to break the Rules and Policies with "Inappropriate behavior" KB Article: 12649.

All this make no sense to me, of course i could have stop him doing this by pulling a NM, then.... the purpose of this action is MPK and is Inappropriate behavior, why GM is not stopping the bleeding from start instead making us to do our own justice by breaking even more rule.

In the end you know how all this end up, the rude guy will end to be lucky enough to not get jail for harassment, but you be jailed for MPK'ing him. Back in the time, i learned from this, because back in the time we all called GM about RMT that was move hacking, hell his dead body was moving all around in sky in same pattern, and GM was taking no action, even if 3 LS was sending call none stop about it. One day i got tire of this, and did my own justice, i pulled bunch of mob and used HIDE ability, BOT are stupid, so the bot aggroed and died. In a flash time of 3 min, my screen turn black with "Loading data" i knew from this point what going on, yep i got jailed for MPK, 3 day suspension for doing my own justice.

All this to say, WE ARE NOT GM, we have no power, and if in the end we have to break rule to get justice done, to be then jailed, this game not worth anymore to be played, no one would accept such of issue no matter what server, is plain silly.

Problem that i explained is also not about competition where 2 cleave PT fight each other to win the camp, the guy come SOLO on BLM, and have ZERO chance at all to kill more then 1 mob at the time, but able with no problem to kill 20 mob when they all 5~10% HP left. If i stop pull, then he just stand there doing nothing.

I dont think this guy actually cleaves mobs for chests, but to "rid vanadiel of cleave nubs"

No, i am also not doing any shady bizz, what i am doing is cleave PT and selling spot for 500k gil, but i guaranteed a minimum of lv30 to 95 and 400k cruor out of my 8h cleaving. Player that accept the deal can easy turn the 400k cruor into 1 million of gil. I do this to pay my Aegis which cost a total of 175 million. So take it this way, i help player to get they level + GIL and they help me to get Aegis. No bad intention at all. Is legit as much as who sell Empy item for 200k each, player choice to pay or not.

[Kitkat]

Sadly there is little to nothing a GM will ever do about this issue. Apparently GM's have been told that there is a very specific line a player must cross for it to be deemed harassment despite the wording of KB's or interpretation of ToS. To be rather frank, it is difficult to get them to do anything even if someone is verbally harassing you also.

ToS says it is a bannable offense, but all I've ever seen a GM say is "Have you tried Black listing the individual so as not to see what they say?" I've had people harass me without provocation and this is what I've been told by a GM several times, just blist the individual. Unless they are out in the middle of a zone shouting about something derogatory there usually will be no action taken in the way of harassment issues. The person could be stalking you and a GM will do little to nothing about it regardless of the outlined articles you've mentioned.

Needless to say that on Fenrir, I've seen several individuals do this to people just because they can, or they hold a grudge against the person for one reason or another. Can't say I've ever run into this individual personally, but I also don't sell cleave spots nor have any desire to. The use of stating why you are doing it really goes towards hurting your case rather than helping it since it is primarily irrelevant to the issue itself. Honestly, it only invites people to further attack you rather than help gain an answer as to why GM's don't seem to really uphold ToS rather than expect players to simply ignore an individual who is purposely going out of their way to grief you through verbal or other means within the game environment.

[Ilax]

You lost me a little bit, because the main issue is way over verbal, i wish i had an option to blist his AGA/AJA spell.

No, the problem is way over that, and there nothing i can do about it, only GM at this point can help the situation, and what is my option if nothing is done... If i can't cleave because that guy decided is right to do so, what prevent me to act the same and prevent everyone from cleaving, and what prevent all these to prevent all other by frustration as well. Anyway there is no need for me to explain the hurt that can cause to the game since everyone can picture easy the problem.

There just no good reason for GM to let this happen, no one win out of this. Of course the reason i do my FC is irrelevant, i could do this for Ki or for fun, as you said that change nothing to the issue itself.

[Alhanelem]

Usually you get much action taken for harassment unless, after blacklisting them, they continue to harass you in other ways, or get onto another character to get around the blacklisting or get other people to do their dirty work for them.

[Leonlionheart]

GMs don't do much but unstuck players at this point, and temp ban/ban spam in jeuno and racist slurs.

[Babekeke]

Can't you just use Mighty Strikes to 1-shot them? Or at the very least, pull all mobs and store tp up to 300%. If he casts break then runs to flux to depop them, you use FC to get hate back on them. If he sits and waits for mobs to be at low HP, berserk, blood rage, mighty strikes, sekkanoki, FC x2 should allow you to kill them too quick for him to get a spell off. Open up a restore chest and you have all JAs reset ready to go again, and 300% tp to boot.

I'm sure LLH can tell you the best atma choice for this way of cleaving to get the 1-shots in.

[Arcon]

Can't you just use Mighty Strikes to 1-shot them?

He's cleaving for EXP. If you kill too many mobs at once you won't get EXP for all of them. That's why FC always beat CW for EXP burns. Since he's having people pay him money for it, he wants to provide a valuable service. He'd have to gimp everyone's EXP and his own reputation because of some douchebag.

[Runespider]

If they are doing it purely to harass you then you can get them temp/perma banned for it, all you have to do it call the GM and wait till they talk to you and try goad him into doing it while they are there watching. I got quite a few in trouble for this when I used to SMN burn and it works realyl well, they just depop infront of you

If you are pulling every mob and they are trying to get some then it's just competition but as he is purely harassing it's pretty simple. The more he says in say/tell the better too, he will hang himself with his own words..so try get him to talk as much as you can.

[Monchat]

I've pissed of many charged whiskers blu in Konschdatd. The only decent camps over there is the THF tonberry mobs, because they are very close to each other, but its not even worth cleaving considereng there are only 10-15 mobs. However its my favorite camp for gold chest farming DD style [ MNK/WAR+BRD/WHM, capped amber and perle, 90% gold box spawn, 15 dark rings in 2H]. If there is someone cleaving there, they are monopolizing all tonberries I will have no problem stealing. They will leave soon anyway because DD killing is 3xfaster, so soon the mob will be too strong and hit them too hard [and everyone's grudge them lol].