ATTN DEVS and COMMUNITY REPS: Mythics

[Staren]

In regards to Einherjar adjustments, we are planning to add higher tier expansions and also new rewards, but the timing has not yet been decided. (It will be difficult to get it in during the next version update and the one to follow. Apologies!)

We would like to make adjustments not only to Einherjar, but to (as we told you the other day) Nyzul, ZNM, Salvage, and even HNMs as well. Though it may take some time, we hope you are looking forward to these adjustments.

This is the message I was referring to.

[Vold]

Thats a long time to take to respond when relics and empyreans are now so easy to get.

Says you or maybe even me to some extent, but that doesn't mean it's true. Right now I'm looking at 12 others around me in game, not a single one owns a relic or Empyrean except myself. I'm just saying, I'm reminding people yet again that their skewing of the facts ain't going to win them squat anytime soon.

[Staren]

Also note in their new test server roadmap that is available here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...934#post214934

There are no changes to einerjar on the -test server- til march. No mention of salvage fixes even on this up to march. Which means we will not be seeing salvage adjustments until well after march of next year. This is not acceptable.

[Staren]

Says you or maybe even me to some extent, but that doesn't mean it's true. Right now I'm looking at 12 others around me in game, not a single one owns a relic or Empyrean except myself. I'm just saying, I'm reminding people yet again that their skewing of the facts ain't going to win them squat anytime soon.

I know alot of people who dont have af3+1 too? Does this mean af3+1 is hard to get? Just because some people are too gimp, or too lazy to get off their butts and play the game with the strategies available to them and do the work doesn't make something hard. Just makes them lazy.

[Byrth]

To be fair, you should really say, "Relics are easy to get." Level 95 Empyreans are considerably more difficult and expensive to make than level 95 relics.

[Staren]

95 Empyreans so far from what i've heard have little returns for the investment. So you at least can have a working and easy to get endgame item with a broken weaponskill that in most cases outparses its Relic counterpart with minimal effort. The 95 is just a status symbol at this point. Also tell the people who did the relic trials before they adjusted them relics are easy to get to 95 and listen to them explode. I will say they are easier but in terms of getting the weapon with the weaponskill on it and actually being useful above other normal weapons relics and empyrean's are easy to get.

[Byrth]

The number of level 90 Empyreans that surpass level 95 relics is probably lower than you believe.

Also, regardless of how hard it was to get currency, do the trials, etc. in the past, they're the easiest level 95 "special" weapon to get at the moment.

[Staren]

I disagree to be honest with the supply and price rate on Leviathan of Heavy Metal Plates the amount of effort it takes to get a base empyrean and then 75-90 probably is equivalent to the effort it takes to get a relic from 75-95 and the amount of gil it takes to get a relic base and an empyrean 90-95 are very similar. Prices hovering around 12k for coins x 17500 average for coins assuming you don't have a loaner for last 30 hundreds since not a lot of low man groups will put you at 210,000,000 gil for a relic. The prices on leviathan at the moment are around 125,000 for 1 heavy metal plate and needing 1500 puts you at 187,500,000 mil gil for a 95 empyrean. So mathematically, no Empyreans are still easier than relics.

17,500 is actually a low end on coin amounts required. I'll also grant I can see prices going up to 150,000 for heavy metal plates which would put the total at 225,000,000 but I'm also giving a very low average on dynamis coins since 12k is below average for coin prices you'll see in bazaars.

[Byrth]

My server is 9-11k for coins assuming you buy them all at the guild stone, and 150-200k for plates at the guild stone. Based on reports on BG, my server seems more typical than yours. Also, regardless whether or not you get a coin loan you can always sell the extra coins back afterwards. Even on your server, it's cheaper to get a 95 Relic than Empyrean.

Even if it wasn't, taking a relic from 75 to 95 at present is the work of a week, a few hours a night. Spending only a few hours a night, an Empyrean would take at least two weeks to go from 75 to 90.

Relics = Easy
Empyreans = Middle
Mythics = Hardest at the moment

[uptempo]

Relics = Easy
Empyreans = Middle
Mythics = Hardest at the moment

How you can even say this with a straight face is beyond me, empyreans are beyond a joke to get to 90 and can easy be done in a week, lets not forget once they hit 85 and get the weaponskill and aftermath how powerfull they become.

I agree the 95 stage is stupid at the momemnt but you along with everyone else has no idea what se has in mind for heavy plates for all we know they could end up dropping like water in the next voidwatch chapter.