[Dev1024] - Job-Adjustments - War.

[Economizer]

WHM can tank and DD

White Mage melee is legitimized outside of the White Mage and Red Mage forums woot!

Really too bad you didn't mention Summoner, could really make some people crazy with a statement like that.

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Anyways, I'll say that while Warrior is a great tank (they have the most important feature to tank in this game, massive enmity generation!) it doesn't really matter if it is versatile or not, or capable of twenty things, or a good tank. Warrior is known for doing on thing very, very well, and that is putting the hurt on something. Inside Bizzaro World Abyssea where procs matter, Warrior is paired with Ninja, Monk, and Thief for the top melee slots too.

My question now would be "What should Warrior get better at?" I think answering this question would give us a better understanding about what posters in this thread want, rather then trying to say what Warrior was in the past.

[Babekeke]

In the way WAR is versitile, so is SAM, DRK, MNK, PUP, WHM, BLM, RDM, DNC, NIN, PLD, BLU, THF then

SAM can tank and DD, MNK can tank and DD, PUP can tank and DD, WHM can tank and DD, BLM can tank and DD, RDM can tank and DD, DNC can tank and DD, NIN can tank and DD, PLD can tank and DD, BLU can tank and DD, THF can tank and DD, and I'm sure there are plenty that slip my mind.

So why is WAR singled out as a jack of all trades? SAM can use shields too yo

Probably because WAR can do it from level 5 to 95

My question now would be "What should Warrior get better at?" I think answering this question would give us a better understanding about what posters in this thread want, rather then trying to say what Warrior was in the past.

Apparently, the answer is 'killing bones and pots'. Right now, WAR has to slightly gimp themselves by using a staff or club to deal better damage to them, but SE doesn't like this, so roll on the 'change the damage type of your Great Axe' update. I wonder if we can change it to magic damage too... Formless strikes style. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[Leonlionheart]

Probably because WAR can do it from level 5 to 95

this is where I exit the conversation, because nothing level 1~75 matters, and there's no reason you should be doing anything after 75 as any level other than 95.

So if you're going to argue this, then there's literally no point in talking to you

[StingRay104]

this is where I exit the conversation, because nothing level 1~75 matters, and there's no reason you should be doing anything after 75 as any level other than 95.

So if you're going to argue this, then there's literally no point in talking to you

I never get tired of seeing this strategy, forget all the facts and only use the ones I want you to use. In all honesty any job can tank from 75-95 so your whole basis is without merit. Given all this if you actually compare defensive capabilities then you'd realize war has far more defensive capabilities than other jobs, but they cause you to take away from your broken damage so why bother, its not like the mobs are gonna be alive long enough for it to matter and when it comes to hnms your gonna have pld nin or thf tank it so just focus on pure damage. Anyways I grow tired of trying to educate people in this game, seeing as how SE has decided to completely dick with it instead of actually do the thing everyone wants, IE bring every other dd up to wars level and make them all relevent. Have fun with your endless bs about how you think the game works.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Wait what, War has no native defensive capabilities (that don't suck) and please don't say Defender. Unless you count retaliating and still taking damage a defense...

War's defense is killing the mob before it kills the War, unless they /Nin for shadows, /Sam for seigan, or /Mnk for counterstance/counter (not suggested except inside due to counter atma/your healer can't handle /sam retal tanking for some unknown reason).

Actually you're going to have to list these 'far more' defensive capabilities than other jobs. And please for all that is holy do not bring up Shield...

[Retsujo]

Warrior may not be a Paladin by any respect, but its defense capabilities are there. Growing up as WAR, I tanked most of the missions battles all the way through CoP, and most of Aht Urghan as WAR. No, Warriors don't have the HP of a Monk, or the Defense of a Paladin, but they do have quite a bit of both, and pack quite a punch (okay, chop (Great Axe, hur hur)) to make up for it.

No, not everyone thinks Warrior can tank - but if you gear it right it can be a pretty good one when you have no other options. Don't knock it until you've tried it!

Of course nobody cares enough to experiment shit like this anymore. Everyone knows the best role and best subjob for every job no matter what and nothing else matters because it's just the way things are. Right?

[Neisan_Quetz]

I'm sorry, any job can build a PDT/MDT set so no those do not count. Pre cap removal War was tanking /Nin, /Sam post 60 and seigan. Anything being bloodtanked by War pretty much any job could have tanked it at that point.

[Retsujo]

I never had any pdt-/mdt- gear pre-80. I was pretty much an endgame noob and didn't have very much good gear to begin with. Warrior's Artifact armor +1 is pretty decent tanking gear, with some select Relic armor as well. I was quite an MP sink, but it worked well enough to get the job done when it needed to be done.

All you're going to do is look at every situation anyone gives you and say "anyone could've done that. Doesn't count." You have nothing to go on other than you believe Warrior can't do shit for tanking. Rather than point out flaws in other people's debates, try explaining your point of view with less criticism and more constructive arguments.

Quit hatin'.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Yeah... you think War AF/Relic is tanking gear. We're done here.

[Retsujo]

I said it was pretty decent for the time I was using WAR to tank stuff. But it's pretty clear you're just going to stick to your weak defensive mechanism, so there's no use arguing.