Same-Sex Marriages

[Alkalinehoe]

"You people" Do you not understand how destructive and backwards that kind of dichotomic thinking is? It's not like heterosexuality is in every facet of society, oh wait. Maybe he gets tired of hearing about how heterosexual men like having sex with women all the time.

As a gay man, I never tire about hearing how a straight man bangs so many chicks. Such an interesting topic.

[Alkalinehoe]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]

It's a nickname.... My name is Alkalinejoe, but my an ingame friend called me Alkalinehoe and it kinda stuck (even before they knew i was gay). And geez, it's a joke. Everyone else who has posted in this thread have deduced that. Good thing I know not the entire straight population is this retarded.

[Kabel]

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Alkaline, you accuse me of strengthening negative steriotypes while you coming onto a video game forum with hoe in your name and fussing about being cockblocked cause you can't explore other men's crotches on the game by marrying them. Think about that and realize you may just be your own worst enemy.

Just like the black author who writes a book "How to make love with a negro without getting tired" is his very own enemy. If you can't see the tact in the satire then that you're own problem.

[Dale]

Just like the black author who writes a book "How to make love with a negro without getting tired" is his very own enemy. If you can't see the tact in the satire then that you're own problem.

yes well I guess i have a problem then, cause i see nothing tactful about hoe's posts

And I meant to type facet not faucet, but nothing beats typo humor, another stunning example of your excellent tastes in tact

[Yawn]

Squre-Enix ninja-added gay marriage in over a year ago with their automated marriage system. They couldn't just come out and say they added it due to political and social pressure, so they stuck it in and just let people figure it out for themselves. Here is a basic rundown on how to marry someone of the same sex:

Step 1: Get a friend of the opposite gender (your best man or maid of honor or witness or whatever) to buy two rings.
Step 2: Use an HQ earth crystal to sign the rings.
Step 3: Exchange the rings (whether through a ceremony or juat right there at the NPC who acts as a justice of the peace.)
Step 4: Buy your friend a ring.
Step 5: Talk to the NPC one at a time while partied with your friend to get your marriage certificates. Marriage certificates aren't actually signed. They're just furnishings. congratulations! You're married.

As for there being no gay NPCs in FFXI, I direct you to WotG's storyline and numerous ToAU quests; most notably Three Men in the (and the?) Closet. There is a gay Tarutaru in the Windurst Woods Clothcraft guild, as well as the Norg NPC who accepts the avatar items for your summoner ring. Also, the male mithra in the Windurst Waters (S) storyline is openly bisexual.

[Alkalinehoe]

Squre-Enix ninja-added gay marriage in over a year ago with their automated marriage system. They couldn't just come out and say they added it due to political and social pressure, so they stuck it in and just let people figure it out for themselves. Here is a basic rundown on how to marry someone of the same sex:

Step 1: Get a friend of the opposite gender (your best man or maid of honor or witness or whatever) to buy two rings.
Step 2: Use an HQ earth crystal to sign the rings.
Step 3: Exchange the rings (whether through a ceremony or juat right there at the NPC who acts as a justice of the peace.)
Step 4: Buy your friend a ring.
Step 5: Talk to the NPC one at a time while partied with your friend to get your marriage certificates. Marriage certificates aren't actually signed. They're just furnishings. congratulations! You're married.

As for there being no gay NPCs in FFXI, I direct you to WotG's storyline and numerous ToAU quests; most notably Three Men in the (and the?) Closet. There is a gay Tarutaru in the Windurst Woods Clothcraft guild, as well as the Norg NPC who accepts the avatar items for your summoner ring. Also, the male mithra in the Windurst Waters (S) storyline is openly bisexual.

Wow, nice find. Didn't know about this!

[Yawn]

Actually, your history of marriage is completely mistaken. Marriage has historically been, and still remains for most people, a means of gaining wealth, status, and/or power; as well as creating offspring to carry that legacy on ad infinitum. Historically, taking one or more lovers onthe side has been completely acceptable as long as you keep it a secret. That way, you don't dishonor or embarass your spouse. In fact, the concept of monogamy is relatively new. ,Marriage is not even a religious thing. Religions use marriage to their own ends, but marriage itself is all about the above.

As for Asians finding homosexuality (or gay marriage) laughable, that is completely untrue. In most of Asia, homosexuality was often called the purest form of love since it was a love that could not give offspring, wealth, or prestige. In fact, homosexuality was widely accepted throughout even the United States until the end of World War 2.

If, as you say, life is about more than sex you should focus on the idea that gay people just want tax breaks. Marriage, for most of its history, has never had anything at all to do with sexual desire or love. Henry the 8th even created his own religion just so he wouldn't have to keep killing his wives off when they wouldn't give him legitimate male heirs. History is full of people who used marriage AND religion for their own selfish designs. He was not an exception. Just look at the concept of a dowrey. If a woman's family was not wealthy enough she could not marry a man. That was true even for peasants. Publicly, we villify the idea. Our entire history as a race is filled with this ,though.

Modern media has actually changed most people's concepts of love and marriage. Shakespeare and Hollywood have done a lot to romanticize the idea of love over responsiblity to one's family. Perhaps this change in the overall view of marriages as an institution of love is exactly the reason same-sex marriages should be allowed.

[Siros]

Xilk for president. Please fix amercia.

I second that motion.

[Siros]

So, would your faucet run out of gay people at some point or do you mean you have to let out a certain amount of gay people each day?

Nah,we just keep em locked up at the plant were they can roam an graze freely.Government says we cant let out any more they get too wild an rialed up an cause havok... lol. Seriously,im joking,this thread got outta hand fast.

U wanna be gay,fine w/e but plz keep it outta the game....

[Yawn]

A lot of people felt the same way about black people when they were fighting for their own rights. The gay rights movement is actually very similar.

I know. It's terrible to compare the two. It's not like gay people have had to live in hiding for fear of persecution. It's not like thousands of gay people were knowingly used by the millitary then kicked out so they could not accrue retirement benefits. It's not like gay people don't get beaten and sodomized in public bathrooms because they "deserved it." It's not like gay people aren't even allowed to play professional sports openly. It's not like gay people get fired from normal jobs just for being gay.

How dare these people, who are treated like they are less than a straight person; who are beaten to death just for being true to themselves; who cannot gain healthcare or financial benefits for being in long term monogamous relationships, would want to push for equality! Maybe they should riot more, like they did in the 50s and early 60s. They're peacefully protesting everywhere someone will listen.

People have short memories. If they stop talking, no one will remember they are, in fact, being persecuted. Not just because they can't get married, but because in many places they are still persecuted and killed just for being different.