Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[Habiki]

Flawed logic is flawed.

Assuming you have the seals that's 10% to a level 90 weapon. Still need to get 100 of X items for the 95 upgrade. And if you're doing new zones to get the 95 upgrades you're reducing your coin attainment rate as well. Meaning the level 90 version will now take you more time.

Also you are making a level 95 WoE weapon that is still inferior to a level 85 Emp.

My point was compared to the empyrian path the WoE's path is a joke 1500 vs 100 how is it so slow for everyone I don't see the reason to complain you get a nice chuck of money and at least 1 die almost every run.

At most the WoE version will take 4 weeks with drop rates doing it 1 hr a day without buying any, it could be done in 25 hrs straight, vs. 6 months if supply stays high enough to support people buying plates.

I'm talking about lvl 95 upgrades not the upgrades as a whole so I fail to see how it's flawed logic thinking 10% in 2 evenings for the WoE's version isn't bad for a casual player they didn't specify if they we're taling about coins or dies either, the casual player won't ever see a 95 empyrian unless the plates required or price drop tremendously.

[Zagen]

My point was compared to the empyrian path the WoE's path is a joke 1500 vs 100 how is it so slow for everyone I don't see the reason to complain you get a nice chuck of money and at least 1 die almost every run.

At most the WoE version will take 4 weeks with drop rates doing it 1 hr a day without buying any, it could be done in 25 hrs straight, vs. 6 months if supply stays high enough to support people buying plates.

I'm talking about lvl 95 upgrades not the upgrades as a whole so I fail to see how it's flawed logic thinking 10% in 2 evenings for the WoE's version isn't bad for a casual player they didn't specify if they we're taling about coins or dies either, the casual player won't ever see a 95 empyrian unless the plates required or price drop tremendously.

A level 95 WoE weapon is still inferior to a level 85 Emp.

In that 25 hours you could have collected items to get an Emp 85 thus making a better weapon than that 95 version. Actually you could have built 2 Emps to 85 in that time with the amount of people required to clear new WoE zones. This is why your logic is flawed. It takes double the time to make an inferior weapon. It should take less or be on par not more.

Also keep in mind you have to get 30 coins you want/need as well as the relevant 100 pieces because if they don't match up it takes even more time

[Olor]

A level 95 WoE weapon is still inferior to a level 85 Emp.

In that 25 hours you could have collected items to get an Emp 85 thus making a better weapon than that 95 version. Actually you could have built 2 Emps to 85 in that time with the amount of people required to clear new WoE zones. This is why your logic is flawed. It takes double the time to make an inferior weapon. It should take less or be on par not more.

Also keep in mind you have to get 30 coins you want/need as well as the relevant 100 pieces because if they don't match up it takes even more time

Man, you really don't get it. Just because you have a shell with people willing to drop everything to get you your empy, or because you have access to dual boxing, or are willing to shout for hours for enough noobs willing to do your bidding, doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

Seriously.

Empy is faster if you have the resources. Yes. We all agree. So frigging what? WoE weapon is for casual players like me, who just want to show up, and get a shot at the items they want. If you think empy is so much better, why you complaining about WoE weapon anyway? Just go get your empy in 25 hours or w/e and stop complaining about how long it takes to get a weapon you think sucks anyway.

Also, WoE is WAY more fun than spamming NMs in abyssea (for me) and I play games to have fun, not to wave my e-peen in people's faces.

I play for like 2 hours many nights, not more, I don't want to spend 1.45 hours of that shouting for fools in PJ willing to do all the work for my emp.

[Zagen]

Man, you really don't get it. Just because you have a shell with people willing to drop everything to get you your empy, or because you have access to dual boxing, or are willing to shout for hours for enough noobs willing to do your bidding, doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat.

You still don't get the point without people in WoE you aren't able to get jack so when they leave to get a WoE weapon you have to shout or ask your LS.

You're not in the same boat because you choose not to be, that's not anyone else's fault but yours.

Empy is faster if you have the resources. Yes. We all agree. So frigging what? WoE weapon is for casual players like me, who just want to show up, and get a shot at the items they want. If you think empy is so much better, why you complaining about WoE weapon anyway? Just go get your empy in 25 hours or w/e and stop complaining about how long it takes to get a weapon you think sucks anyway.

WoE weapons without people is impossible for casual players. When you get people together for it, it should be faster than getting those people together for Emps instead.

Why do I care about WoE weapons being slower? Simply because casual players should have a chance at a fun toy even if it is inferior to the alternative. That being said I believe it should require less effort to get the WoE version than the Emp version because it is inferior even at its current highest upgraded state compared to the 85 stage of an Emp.

When people stop farming WoE (already happening) you and all casual players get screwed. And WoE goes back to the way it was, empty except for people shouting for SMN/BST groups. If you have to shout what's the point in shouting for WoE when shouting for Emp gets you a better weapon and almost always in less time than you'd take to make a WoE weapon?

I play for like 2 hours many nights, not more, I don't want to spend 1.45 hours of that shouting for fools in PJ willing to do all the work for my emp.

Find a friend who plays the same time frame as you and get an Emp without shouting, even duoing I'll bet you get an Emp you want done before a WoE weapon you want done. NIN + WHM. For example my friend and I would split up Briareus farming over 2 nights (1 for KIs the other for NM fights) many times because we didn't have much time to play.

[Olor]

You still don't get the point without people in WoE you aren't able to get jack so when they leave to get a WoE weapon you have to shout or ask your LS.

There ARE people in WoE though - that's where you're missing the point man. If they made it so you got all your coin drops in 1 week of 2 runs a night, though, there wouldn't be anyone there right away though.

I think they ought to retune some of the fluxes - make them max 6 people, max 10 people etc so that when the event gets less popular it will still be a causal event - but increasing coin drops would just make it so no one was doing it AT THIS MOMENT because they would have all gotten their weapon in two days of spamming.

I don't see how arguing for more coin drops will extend the life of this event.

[Zagen]

There ARE people in WoE though - that's where you're missing the point man. If they made it so you got all your coin drops in 1 week of 2 runs a night, though, there wouldn't be anyone there right away though.

On Bismarck it already has dead times.

I don't see how arguing for more coin drops will extend the life of this event.

The coins have nothing to do with the life of the event >.> the money drops do. If the coins were the reason to do WoE it wouldn't have been dead during an era where coins were easier to get when discounting leechers.

[svengalis]

I have to agree with everything olor is saying. I don't want to get people to farm a empyrean weapon for me. I can farm 4-5 woe faster then I could a empyrean. I am already done with one of my woe after only 2 weeks of doing it and I am 2/3 done with 2 other weapons and 1/3 done with 2 other weapons. Another week of spamming woe and I should have FIVE weapons done. I'd like to see someone farm 5 empyrean weapons for themselves in 3 weeks worth of time. And to people saying woe are gimped or LOL at least I can get my woe to 95 without spending tons of Gil and using people.

[HimuraKenshyn]

I can for sure see a time when WOE becomes a ghost town again it already has started to dry up at certain times of the day on shiva. The only conflux that can be consistently counted on during my prime time is #7. The new win it for all or lose and get nothing is simply a horrible horrible idea for this event.....

[Zagen]

I have to agree with everything olor is saying. I don't want to get people to farm a empyrean weapon for me. I can farm 4-5 woe faster then I could a empyrean. I am already done with one of my woe after only 2 weeks of doing it and I am 2/3 done with 2 other weapons and 1/3 done with 2 other weapons. Another week of spamming woe and I should have FIVE weapons done. I'd like to see someone farm 5 empyrean weapons for themselves in 3 weeks worth of time. And to people saying woe are gimped or LOL at least I can get my woe to 95 without spending tons of Gil and using people.

I agree with the concept of aiming for multiples at once because of the way WoE is designed but that's the only way it is more beneficial than farming Emp weapons. Again while people are still spamming it.

LOL all you want with your 95 weapon, it doesn't change the fact that the level 85 Emp version is better even at 10 levels below it.

Also LOL at not using people, you're using people in WoE to get your weapon...

Edit: I'm making WoE dagger because I got enough coins while going to WoE for the fun of it but I don't kid myself in thinking that it will compare to Twashtar 85 ever. As to why I'm not making the Emp version, well that's because I would rather spend the shells/scales on Ukonvasara.

[Olor]

Also LOL at not using people, you're using people in WoE to get your weapon...

It isn't using people when everyone gets the exact same benefits, when people can leave or join whenever they want without explaining themselves to anyone, and when you don't even have to talk to each other to mutually benefit.

With Empy Farming the rewards are asymmetrical - with WoE everyone can build a weapon/farm scrolls/etc at the same time. Empy farming is a zero sum game. WoE is mutualism at work.