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    Player Insaniac's Avatar
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    Voidwatch is the new salvage. Fun for a while but eventually the soul crushing drop rates will get to people. The difference is that Voidwatch takes way more effort to set up and most of the gear is not only unremarkable but not even worth the effort. Not to say there aren't a few nice pieces but compared to salvage where almost every piece had at least a very nice situational use these drops are not gonna keep people grinding away for 5 years. Not to mention the most ill conceived loot system in the history of MMOs. IMO the only people that will be doing VW in 6 months on a regular basis will be doing it for HMPs and at that point VW will be the new dynamis. 9 years in, most of us, even the hardcores, don't want to deal with this crap.

    So, it doesn't really matter if you have some amazing insight into the minds of the devs that makes you feel like you should talk down to people. Everyone understands what they are doing and the majority of us seem to hate it.
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  2. #32
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    I don't think VW is anything like salvage, considering salvage was like 6 viable jobs total and VW makes sure every single job is useful. The drop rates do need adjusting, but it's also nice that you can just join jp shout groups and spam T3 zilart/jeuno VW NM runs with complete strangers, cap lights, and everyone gets drop. No drama over loot since everyone gets their own personal chest.

    JP's seem to really love voidwatch, it's easy to set up and easy to run with almost anyone decently geared, and with abyssea being geared is easy. Get used to VW, because it'll be staying until this game dies finally.

    I'd prefer upping the drop rate on almost all the items to like 20% drop rate or something though with capped lights, 1-2% drop rates is silly.
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    The new VW areas actually seem to have a decent drop rate atm.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    I don't think VW is anything like salvage, considering salvage was like 6 viable jobs total and VW makes sure every single job is useful. The drop rates do need adjusting, but it's also nice that you can just join jp shout groups and spam T3 zilart/jeuno VW NM runs with complete strangers, cap lights, and everyone gets drop. No drama over loot since everyone gets their own personal chest.

    JP's seem to really love voidwatch, it's easy to set up and easy to run with almost anyone decently geared, and with abyssea being geared is easy. Get used to VW, because it'll be staying until this game dies finally.

    I'd prefer upping the drop rate on almost all the items to like 20% drop rate or something though with capped lights, 1-2% drop rates is silly.
    The only job my group never used was PLD but we did run with more people than average group. If for some reason you were to do voidwatch with salvage numbers you would see the same job exclusivity but since low manning is pointless it's kinda moot. I wasn't really talking about the mechanics of the event anyway. Just the fact that it's enjoyable but the drop rates are soul crushing.
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    "Casuals" like you are a cancer to this game."

    Casuals are why this game is still up and running. Your post was going ok until that.
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    So when these horrible new developments came in, did Abyssea vanish?
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    Communication seems as good as it always was. Problem is that people make some complaint here, and if it's not addressed IMMEDIATELY, furious responses range from "SE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US!!!" to "SE ARE A BUNCH OF RACISTS JAPANESE!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbobx View Post
    "Casuals" like you are a cancer to this game."

    Casuals are why this game is still up and running. Your post was going ok until that.
    Another funny thing about the whole "Casuals ruin the game!" point is the fact that most people who've been playing XI since launch are either well into their 30's or getting fairly close to entering their 30's and don't have NEARLY the time to play like they did back then when they were college or highschool kids.

    I think people lose sight of why Abyssea is popular, its not because its easy mode, its because it caters to lowman play. The game changed dramatically from big alliance events to lowman events, thats the biggest issue with voidwatch as a whole, the game moved on to smaller man events because of less subs, this is why we see GoV etc come about.

    This also re-creates the "Mythic Problem" down the line, voidwatch is never going to be lowmanable unless the system changes, what is going to happen if VW is the only place for plates and players move on to the next "endgame" event? who is going to do voidwatch or have any interest in it?
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  9. #39
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    "Casuals" like you are a cancer to this game."

    Casuals are why this game is still up and running. Your post was going ok until that.
    You missed the point. Casuals are fine. The "Casuals" like the person I was addressing are the cancer. Whiny self-centered, "EVERYTHING SHOULD BE GOOD FOR ME AND I WANT IT ALL!" types
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    to be perfectly honest I am still disappointed in the low drop rate of gear, I don't enjoy random shitty chances, for example I have done WoE 7 between 12 times a day since the update came out that is like 160 times and I have a grand total 10 birth coins, the only one I wanted, yet I have 60+ of most of the other coins, yay for random drops...
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