Same-Sex Marriages

[Rosalie]

uh... I think you missed my point....

tl;dr version of my previous post:

MARRIAGE (ceremony/rings/gear) for any race/gender combination is already available in the game.

CERTIFICATES for same-sex is the only thing that is not available.

[cidbahamut]

Yeah, but it's a relatively simple thing to fix, so why not do it?

[Rosalie]

Hello Everyone!

Whatever your personal opinions on Same-Sex marriage, both sides can agree that it is a controversial topic world-wide. Because of its controversial nature, Same-Gender marriages are not currently available in Vana'diel in order to ensure the game is rated "T" (or its equivalent) worldwide.

We do appreciate to continue hearing your feedback on this, as policies are ever evolving and do change, and I'd like to add I personally do appreciate everyone that has particpated in this debate without flaming or being offensive, since it can be a very volatile subject. I do hope we can keep the conversation going if possible.

^ this. I think you missed it. (thanks ESRB! >.>; )

[Rambus]

Hello Everyone!

Whatever your personal opinions on Same-Sex marriage, both sides can agree that it is a controversial topic world-wide. Because of its controversial nature, Same-Gender marriages are not currently available in Vana'diel in order to ensure the game is rated "T" (or its equivalent) worldwide.

We do appreciate to continue hearing your feedback on this, as policies are ever evolving and do change, and I'd like to add I personally do appreciate everyone that has particpated in this debate without flaming or being offensive, since it can be a very volatile subject. I do hope we can keep the conversation going if possible.

So.. can someone explain why a girl and a boy getting married gives a different rating then a girl girl or guy guy? seems like the rating system is unfair if that is the case and opens up a new diserbing issue if you ask me

[RaenRyong]

Cat on cat and there isn't full support for this? I am disappoint.

[Rosalie]

At this point, it's really not anything you can argue with from SE, you'd have to go take it up with the ESRB. Have fun with that...

[cidbahamut]

At this point, it's really not anything you can argue with from SE, you'd have to go take it up with the ESRB. Have fun with that...

Well that's pretty stupid, but a better reasoning than straight up homophobia(although really it's just indirect homophobia, but still...).

[Kabel]

I read the first seven pages of this argument before I became discouraged to read the same silly arguments that people have been proposing for decades, even centuries. These are arguments that modern day academia has poked way too many holes in to stand up anymore. Even when homophobia passed proposition 8, it failed. No same-sex marriage in FFXI IS homophobia. I will accept the argument that it is irrelevant to game play, but this still makes it homophobia. Arguing against sexual orientation rights is like arguing against women's or racial rights a few decades ago. You're going to start feeling really stupid really fast.

[Dale]

I think in game weddings should allow two player characters of the same sex to marry. I would like to think SE has gotten a little more progressive as a company when they decided to include two lesbians in Final Fantasy XIII and it would certainly garner some attention to finally break these boundaries. After all, MMOs are about the freedom to explore, why does SE want to cockblock me when I want to explore another guy's crotch. It's unfair. It's unjust. It's unconstitutional. There's nothing wrong if two Galkas or two Mithras want to share their love, but this is coming from a company that feels that a Male Goblin and a Female Hume (What a slut btw) getting it on is more socially acceptable.

So I plead to you, SE. Please remove this unnecessary restriction and let the love flow through you.

P.S. Anyone want to marry me?

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] Let me explain something to you Alkaline, the boundaries of homosexuality was broken back in the B.C., and Final Fantasy 11 is not a good place to explore other men's crotches. Go take a cold shower or watch some gay porn. It's not like the internet doesn't have enough places for you to find men interested in sex, so please - spare me the gay discrimination B.S. You are probably the most well represented minority in the history of mankind.

[Rosalie]

I read the first seven pages of this argument before I became discouraged to read the same silly arguments that people have been proposing for decades, even centuries. These are arguments that modern day academia has poked way too many holes in to stand up anymore. Even when homophobia passed proposition 8, it failed. No same-sex marriage in FFXI IS homophobia. I will accept the argument that it is irrelevant to game play, but this still makes it homophobia. Arguing against sexual orientation rights is like arguing against women's or racial rights a few decades ago. You're going to start feeling really stupid really fast.

...so I guess that means you missed the part where I was explaining just how to perform such ceremonies and obtain all the gear?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing against it or for it or any which way. I'm just saying that most of the arguments I had seen here were directed at the wrong parties and for the wrong reasons.

Saying you can't have a same-sex marriage in FFXI is just incorrect. Saying you can't get a marriage certificate for a same-sex marriage is correct, and more worth arguing about.