Walk of the no Coin drops??? formerly Walk of echoes

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

Sadly this is how it is for now. They fail and fail and fail and fail again and again to adjust to older content outside aby. I mean, for the love of god, just make it on par with abyssea experience!! Voidwatch is another cluster fck. It's like they cannot top abyssea and refuse to adjust the older content outside abysea.

No, it's actually challenging content and not abyssea easy mode. I knew this day would come since they can't just keep adding abyssea zones/content. Voidwatch is amazing content with very unique drops and a great strategic component to it. Is it hard? No, only if you are not able to play the real game and not abyssea.

Back to the good old days of hard and fun group content where skill did matter.

[brayen]

The coin rate is a lot worse then before, seen about 2 pouches total out of the last 20ish runs we have done among my group in particular with about 20 coins total in singles, and die just dont exist. 100 die seems like a yearly accomplishment as it stands and that is terrible especially if WoE popularity reverts to how it was before cuz now you cant even solo. Between this massive roadblock on empy weapons AND now even the lesser WoE who gain far less(and even the elemental trials got very minimal boost). Feels like everything is being turned into 2002 where no1 will complete these trials and people will have to sell their lives to get anything done, very disappointing update. Challenges are fine but pure grinds that last that long are beyond me(my opinion anyways)

[Patrik]

haha i get the feeling this is gonna be a repeat of the dynamis change XD SE says they increase overall rate to get coins(currency) everyone is getting crap. couple weeks go by, people figure something out (dynamis-procs) and start making more currency than they could before...

well maybe, it just reminds me of that >.> but me personally, i'm getting more coins than i used to. 6 or 7 runs and got 13 or so coins total, and 2 dice (yea dice could be better x.x) BUT i think that because we all get our own item pool now, thus getting coins we may not need and others getting ones we DO need, it makes the illusion that there are much less coins. though in reality more are being distributed. just a thought. i made a thread in battle content sections requesting a way to kick items into a pool that anyone in the run can lot (like abyssea) i think that would go a long way in helping

[Kimble]

That's cool, I just got 50 fistule charges and 50 bukhis wings in 2 days and a half. This weapon is also superior to a level 99 WOE version of my weapon because of the ODD. Why does WOE exist again?

New spells and items.

Also, since more people are inclined to do WoE now, someone who has no means at all to do an empy weapon can at least join in on runs and get coins from boxes.

[CrAZYVIC]

Well the drop rate for the coins still bad. 1/3 Runs for 1 coin is the average. The event still bad planed too.

The posible solutions for this.

1.- If they want keep the restriccion 1 vanadial day entry. Then the NQ mobs can drops coins too and these coins will go free lot, having 36 players there will be hard win the lots but at least is a extra chance, adding more NQ mobs for the people farm them before clean the Battlefield and keep our chest reward at the end.

2.- Taking off the 1 vanadial day entry and uncap the 36 people limit. So we can spam all runs we want.

3.- I hope Square explain us, "How work the evaluation system for WoE". If is identical campaing, or if is like the old WoE the top 5 guys get best rewards, if heals, elemental magic, ninjutsu how affect this for our evaluation, if the WS count as damage ?? I hope CAMATE can explain us how work the evaluation system.

The first. If you have multiple jobs lv90 - 95. Work on all the coins at the same time. Dont focus only 1 because it will take 60 - 100 Runs average.

So if you have Monk, War, Sam and Thief. Work on all the coins same time.

I started 1 week before the update work on my coins. Doing 5 Runs per day, i got 13 Coins of decay, 17 Coins of Birth, 12 Coins of adv and 15 coins of glory.

35 runs and i got all these coins

Now after the update yesterday i did 9 runs and today i did 10 runs. Im 23 Coins of decay, 27 Coins of birth, 17 coins of glory i lose a pouch of coin of glory because paralice epic fucking fail -_-, 18 Coins adv.

Now The point is this. The WOE weapons almost all, are the second best weapons in the game. If i keep going and i dont stop for about 1 week more. Im sure i will finish the coins for 4 jobs. In 3 weeks i will have enough coins for get 4 NQ empyreals. (Im More worry for get the help for Kill the shit like erebus/chesma etc)

Now yes this weapons cant do the same damage like the Original empyreal weapons. But the margin diference is just decent. The diference margin of a empyreal/WOE DD vs a DD without a empyreal is a lot for almost all jobs.

Inside of Einjerhar tier 3 The same player using Uko/WoE/Widow assuming he is a great player with 26% haste stuff and he know what is doing. Will parse like this

The War with Uko will parse 95k
The War with WOE will parse 85k
The War without a empyreal weapon will fail until 70 k in a parse.



In my opinion. Work some weeks for get WOE weapons on your DD jobs is a good temporal upgrade. With this you can ungimp your jobs, then slowly and with calm you can work on a real empyreal.

Some people forget, not everyone have access dual box,not everyone have acess a nice group of 4 - 6 people for spam 15 hours of farm and not everyone will be killing 4 - 6 NMS with 1 brew.

[MDenham]

I have the disturbing feeling that WoE coins will be needed for relic +2 upgrades.

[xbobx]

When I went, people only were doing one flux, and it was always capped. there were 0 people in every other flux. Usually got 1 coin per run but always coin of ruin. But it is very easy to see that in a month people will just stop doing then it will be almost impossible to finish a Woe weapon because you can't beat a flux unless you drag people from ls to do it 400 times with you to hopefully get 30 coins you need.

they completely killed the content. It is only time before it is dead. Maybe they should have mobs drop coins again and keep the chest at end for everyone when they clear.

[scaevola]

That's cool, I just got 50 fistule charges and 50 bukhis wings in 2 days and a half. This weapon is also superior to a level 99 WOE version of my weapon because of the ODD. Why does WOE exist again?

Let's Mathing!


50 Discharges from a 15-minute respawn NM; we'll assume 5 minutes on average to low-man kill just for a nice round number of 20 minutes total per kill. We'll also be generous and assume you're never beaten to a claim and that you get an average of 1.5 discharges per kill, again to make it nice and round. At these numbers, you're looking at 11 hours of Fistule, again assuming you never once get outclaimed and you always have a Bloodguzzler ready to go the moment Fistule repops.

For Bukhis, there are way more variables since you can get all items from Gold Pyxides but I will be EXTREMELY generous and say 15 minutes per Bukhis kill on average, which includes building lights, farming extra time, getting lucky on KIs, and actually killing Bukhis. Note that without acceptable cleavers you'd be lucky to go through half as fast. Assuming an average of 1.5 wings per Bukhis kill, you're looking at 8 hours 20 minutes to finish.

So, you spent 19 hours and 20 minutes over the course of two and a half days playing Final Fantasy XI (I assume you have a job and occassionally sleep as well), and you're asking me why I would bother with something I can knock out 20 minutes at a time while I'm folding laundry?


Now, I'm not gainsaying your life choices; I mean, there are plenty of people with miserable lives out there and most of them can't claim to have made an 85 Empyrean in two days. But just looking at you bragging about doing so and knowing nothing else about you, it's hard to interpret it as anything other than "fast track to dying alone" and again, not judging, I'm happy with it if you are, but please don't expect me to think you have any worthwhile insights as to how anyone else ought to spend their own time, okay?




(also, though one could easily complete an 85 Empyrean over the course of say, two months, I personally would rather spend two months of casual play to get really good weapons for four jobs than a really, really good weapon for one. YMMV)

[tins]

I got my 30 coins of decay in 3 days with old WoE, with the new 2 coins of birth in 3 days. I though the objective was to increase the drop rate of coins, not decrease it....

[Alhanelem]

1 coin average? in 7 runs of #7, I got 3/4 coins almost every time. Only one time I got no coins.

I got my 30 coins of decay in 3 days with old WoE, with the new 2 coins of birth in 3 days. I though the objective was to increase the drop rate of coins, not decrease it....

The *total* rate of coins is increased because almost everyone who participates recieves one or more instead of only a few people.