Beastmaster's MOST pressing matter

[Zhronne]

Maybe the words you used are a bit too strong Caesaris, but I share your feelings wholeheartedly

[Caketime]

And what would you ever charm and why? There's nothing in any end game that you can use charm for anything other then hate/pulling.

Because endgame is the only aspect of the game as a whole that matters in any way. Also, by your statement it's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to said aspect of the game as it only really applies to endgame content in its current, updated form. I think it's funny that you make lame trollposts in an attempt to dismiss another poster's legitimate contribution to a thread and yet you have no idea what you're even talking about in the first place.

[Calamity]

And what would you ever charm and why? There's nothing in any end game that you can use charm for anything other then hate/pulling.

It's like I said before. Charm should exist. Period. If you wanna deem it useless then by all means, don't use it. Continue to play "Beastmaster easy mode". Fact is, you don't lose a single thing by charm coming back. So I really fail to see why you would be against it.

[Dethard]

I levelled my BST to 75 pre abyssea using charmed pets, duoing most of the way with another BST. It was enjoyable for the most part even with quite a few deaths due to mischarms and uncharming at wrong time, but I now prefer the stronger jug pets, at least I know what I am getting and what move it will use.

I don't mind if they bring back charming for end game or leave us with jug pets, but I wish they would make up their minds which way they are going. If we are not going to be able to charm again then give us something to replace it and make the CHR stat we have on most of our gear benefit us in some way.

I just think it is silly to leave us with an ability that has no use and equipment with stats that do nothing for the job.

[Granny]

I totaly agree with you Caesaris.

Another thing that really pisses me off about the whole charming thing is back at 75 cap when charm was useful for more things than just the odd magian trial which is all I use it for now. I would go rdm nin blu brd and sub bst and have a fun time doing stuff solo and with friends so I feel like I've been robed of not just playing one job but many ><

Tsukino_Kaji must think of himself as a genius in his own mind LOL.

[Agetos]

let's do the unexpected and adapt rather than bitch about a flying heart that can and will indirectly murder you just because.

I think we should all count this man as one of the greater minds of our time.

But also charm is a great tool but you can't expect to be given mobs to use it on wherever you are, new content means new rules, adapt or die. the new jugs can beat nearly any mob you could ever charm. its nice to use in old content because wtf would you need to bring out hobbs for some easy killin. but the stakes are different and require new strategies.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

when charm was useful for more things than just the odd magian trial which is all I use it for now.

You realy wasted time charming things for trial fights when any of the new jug pets easily do double the damage?

[Xilk]

You realy wasted time charming things for trial fights when any of the new jug pets easily do double the damage?

If you have a charmed mob w/ same level as jug pet, then you are NOT doing double damage on a jug pet. Nowhere close. there are plenty of charmed mobs (0~2 levels below us) that will out DD any of our jugs ie a level 95 scorpion would do it. And if you familiar and IT, the contrast is that much more stark.

Please stop trolling the bst forums.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I like how you have to resort to using the term "troll" to make yourself seem more valid. Next you'll be spouting "QQ" because you can't form a constructive reponce. If being the opposition makes some one a "troll" as you like to say. Then this forum, yourself included, are all guilty of this. Why is it wrong of someone to voice their opinion against the subject at hand? Is it realy that damaging to your claims?

On topic:
So you're saying that you're going out of your way to find the hardest mobs possible, therefor taking much longer then you ever should have, just so you can charm something? Where instead you could have simply used a jug pet, that yes, still dose considerably more damamge.
I still stand by the uselessness of charm today, there's no reason for it's use anymore. Name an endgame you can use it validly in? And yes I understand that endgame is not everything there is to the game, but when you talk about the viability of something now, you're not referring to solo XP or some random NM in some god forsaken corner of some forgotten and irrelevant area. That you could have just easily eliminated with a jug pet in half the time.

[Caketime]

You're no Troll, Trolls are humorous. You're just a kid with a poor attitude and a yearning to argue.

My favorite part of your post is where you assume that everyone plays the game exactly the way you do, and that when we're referring to anything ingame it must be about the latest endgame content when that's not necessarily the case at all. The game can still be played at various level ranges due to level sync and if you have a shell like mine, there's no shortage of new faces to meet and go do fun stuff with of all levels. Just because YOU don't participate in anything other than the newest fad does not mean we're all the same.

E: Magian Trials are rad as /BST. Just saying.