FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

[Rorrick]

I have said before and i will say it again, yes SE you CAN raise the hate cap, but do it only for pld. So say the cap is 1000, simply make plds 1200, yes before everyone screams they will never loose hate thats broken, make it so after the pld has had above 1000 hate for like 30 secs the game forces his hate back down below 1k for atleast 10 secs. Its idea and imo a way to give pld back some ability to i dunno TANK

36 pages and you couldn't be bothered to read any of them?

Enmity is a secondary problem. Other jobs (MNK SAM NIN and any two-hander that goes /SAM) tank as well or better than Paladin, on top of doing an overwhelming amount of damage.

There's no point to bring Paladin anywhere, and raising the enmity cap is not going to change that.

[Greatguardian]

There's no point to bring Paladin anywhere

Very false. Voidwatch is a big deal, and it's only going to get bigger in a couple days with a massive influx of new fights, new armor, and badass new weapons. What tanks Voidwatch? Paladins.

The answer to Paladin's lack of popularity has always been content, and SE has delivered in full force.

[Rorrick]

Very false. Voidwatch is a big deal, and it's only going to get bigger in a couple days with a massive influx of new fights, new armor, and badass new weapons. What tanks Voidwatch? Paladins.

The answer to Paladin's lack of popularity has always been content, and SE has delivered in full force.

What tanks Voidwatch? Anyone with decent evasion, Seigan, and/or PDT/MDT sets. The only real advantage Paladin has over other jobs on the tier 4 NMs is Ochain/Aegis, and like I've told you a dozen or so times before, unless I''ll be finding one in my delivery box after a version update, that is not an acceptable solution.

No other job is forced to acquire a relic/mythic/Empyrean just to meet the threshold of usability, nevermind considering desirability. How easy or difficult it is to get is irrelevant.

[Greatguardian]

What tanks Voidwatch? Anyone with decent evasion, Seigan, and/or PDT/MDT sets. The only real advantage Paladin has over other jobs on the tier 4 NMs is Ochain/Aegis, and like I've told you a dozen or so times before, unless I''ll be finding one in my delivery box after a version update, that is not an acceptable solution.

No other job is forced to acquire a relic/mythic/Empyrean just to meet the threshold of usability, nevermind considering desirability. How easy or difficult it is to get is irrelevant.

I would never use most DD jobs without at least a WoE weapon, period. I would never use a White Mage without a Surya's+2, period. I would never use a Black Mage without at least one relevant Nuke staff, period. Thresholds of usability are player-defined for the most part.

The Dev team can NEVER cater to lowest common denominator bullshit the way you want them to because, no matter what, someone, somewhere, is going to be way better at this game than the lowest common denominator. If a full AF1 kite shield Tarutaru Paladin can tank Voidwatch and be "useful", a real Ochain/Aegis Paladin with maxed gear is going to be a demigod and the Devs will never allow that.

[Rorrick]

That's great that you're so picky about who you let Cure V bomb you, but Warriors can get by with Raging Rush, Monks can get by with Ascetic's Fury, NIN with Jin, THF with Evisceration, SAM with Gekko, DRG with Drakesbane, PUP with Stringing Pummel, et cetera. Paladin cannot get by without Ochain or Aegis. Trying to equate Magian stave trials to Ochain trials is ridiculous.

Pretending that WAR and MNK aren't already gods among men just to try and argue that Paladins should suck because someone somewhere wasn't breastfed lead paint is completely hypocritical. That the dev team is even considering options for enhancing Seigan in some way, or giving Warrior some sort of defensive stance while simultaneously telling Paladins that they can't be buffed because they can't be competent at both offense and defense or the game would crash is absolutely unfair and untrue.

Should an AF1 tarutaru Paladin be able to roll up and tank something? No. Should my properly geared Paladin be able to tank Voidwatch without Aegis or Ochain, and have a reason to do so? Absolutely. Ochain and Aegis should be enhancements, not prerequisites.

[Greatguardian]

Ascetic's Fury is garbage, and I would certainly hope that a MNK90 would know that. It is absolutely not worth using ever outside Abyssea, and barely worth using inside it. DRG can get by without Camlann's Torment because Drakes is better, that's a no-brainer.

You don't seem to understand the underlying problem. Anything a Paladin can do, an Aegis/Ochain Paladin can do ten times better. Buffing Paladin as a whole means buffing Aegis/Ochains Paladins 10x over. You only have two options for recourse: Nerf Aegis/Ochain so that a global Paladin buff won't break the 4th wall, or make Aegis/Ochain more reasonable, though still difficult/tedious, to complete.

I wonder which route SE has been taking for the past 6 months.

[Rorrick]

Ascetic's Fury is garbage, and I would certainly hope that a MNK90 would know that. It is absolutely not worth using ever outside Abyssea, and barely worth using inside it. DRG can get by without Camlann's Torment because Drakes is better, that's a no-brainer.

You don't seem to understand the underlying problem. Anything a Paladin can do, an Aegis/Ochain Paladin can do ten times better. Buffing Paladin as a whole means buffing Aegis/Ochains Paladins 10x over. You only have two options for recourse: Nerf Aegis/Ochain so that a global Paladin buff won't break the 4th wall, or make Aegis/Ochain more reasonable, though still difficult/tedious, to complete.

I wonder which route SE has been taking for the past 6 months.

Garbage compared to Victory Smite? Yes. Garbage compared to any other weaponskill inside Abyssea? No? Clearly it's crap outside.

We seem to disagree on Paladin's worth without Ochain (because 10x better than worthless is just marginally less worthless), but there's a clear third option for giving Paladin some utility without "breaking" it; offensive two-handed stance. Get some use out of that Greatsword skill, give Paladin some much-needed duality (arguing that this breaks Paladin is asinine. Look at MNK, NIN, THF, and anyone that can make use of Seigan), and it doesn't overpower the people with Ochain.

[Greatguardian]

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Caladbolg Paladin is the answer? Really?

Wait. You mentioned that Empyreans shouldn't be required for anything. Spinning...Slash...Paladin? Is the answer?

Not even Dark Knight uses Great Sword without Caladbolg/Torcleaver or a Relic.

[Avarice]

but there's a clear third option for giving Paladin some utility without "breaking" it; offensive two-handed stance. Get some use out of that Greatsword skill,

Aha... haha... hahaha...

Oh man; I needed a good laugh. Thank you so very much!

[Lordscyon]

PLD Just need some new tricks ^^
FLASH II
HOLY II (i am surprised whm got it xD)
FLASHGA!
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