DRK Adjustments via Manifesto

[Leonlionheart]

RR and drakes both beat guillotine by a pretty solid margin outside, same with cata, still beaten pretty badly by those two. Evis, with all the new crit+ gear it comes close but guillotine is a little stronger, but not much.

Sam is sam, it beats drk by a good margin when played properly without fudo (my fault I was assuming that everyone knew this), and fudo is so much better than torcleaver that its laughable to compare empy ws's.

Idk what torcleaver's your playing with

[Zatias]

Sam is sam, it beats drk by a good margin when played properly without fudo (my fault I was assuming that everyone knew this), and fudo is so much easier to build a set for than torcleaver that its laughable to compare empy ws's.

Fixed it for you. You're welcome.

[Zeroe]

Seriously can't believe this. SE would rather talk about level 99 updates, jug pets, etc rather than telling us IS OUR JOB GETTING FIXED OR NOT?

Not even a update, nor reply to anything. The way it stands now, were gonna get the horrible SD, no drain/aspir III, no WS fix, no fast cast enhances, no real or boosted 2-hour, the list goes on and on.

But SE has time to talk about all the new things SCH is getting.
You would think after a few weeks, SE would at least say something.

[Quetzacoatl]

Scarlet Diarrhea............. I shall incorporate that into my brain.

heheheheh...

[Rezeak]

RR and drakes both beat guillotine by a pretty solid margin outside, same with cata, still beaten pretty badly by those two. Evis, with all the new crit+ gear it comes close but guillotine is a little stronger, but not much.

Sam is sam, it beats drk by a good margin when played properly without fudo (my fault I was assuming that everyone knew this), and fudo is so much better than torcleaver that its laughable to compare empy ws's.

Not really (put in spoiler tag cause it's off topic

Outside of abyssea.

Fudo you get around 1100 Base DMG before Attack vs Def and lvl correction

0.6*200 STR with 114 DMG Masa +20 DMG from fstr = 254 Base DMG

254*3.65*1.19 = 1103 Base DMG before Attack vs Def and lvl correction

Torcleaver you get around 1080 Base DMG before Attack vs Def and lvl correction

Now Torcleaver with 0.6*170 VIT with 120 DMG Cala +5 DMG from fstr (+60 STR advantage to SAM) = 237 base DMG

237*4.75 = 1078 Base before attack vs def.

1103 is very close 1078 but ofc DRK can WS from anywhere on the mob

Now here's the kicker
Say the gear + skill on SAM and DRK are equal (excluding the STR advantage)

For Sam +60 Str = +45 attack
For DRK Attack bonus = +60 attack and Endark +50~

Meaning DRK will have about +60 attack on SAM which atm is about 8% of peoples base attack which will mean DRKs pdif for WS will be 8% higher and because there is no attack bonus on fudo or torcleaver it pushes Torcleaver past Fudo

and when u consider lvl dif on say a lvl 100 mob it'll decrease pdif by -0.5 ish.

and say SAM has 2.00 and therefor DRK will have 2.16
it'll change to 1.5 vs 1.66

1.66/1.5 = 1.10 = 110%

Meaning on high level mob the avg WS DMG is in torcleavers advantage.

How ofc you need to consider WSfreq or it's not fair.

w/ SAM it can 5 hit masamune
w/22% haste gear w/ March X 2 + haste + hasso = 67% haste

so 0.33*437*4 = 574.8 Delay per WS

w/ DRK it can 6 hit cala
w/ 23% haste w/ March X 2 + haste + LR = 80% haste

so 0.2*430*5 = 430 Delay per Ws in LR

w/ 23% haste w/ March X 2 + Haste + Hasso = 68% Haste

so 0.32*430*5 = 688 outside LR

LR is up 180 secs of 250

so 430*(180/250) + 688*(50/250) = 309 + 138 = 447 Delay Per Ws on Average.
447/574 = 0.77
1-0.77 = 0.23

So DRK WSs nearly 23% faster on just melee swings SAM does make up some from meditating and Zashins DAs.

Basically the LR buff has pushed DRK up alot when it comes down to WSfreq.

(Not to mention your hitting the mob alot more on DRK and harder as well)

Summary of the data.

Outside abyssea Fudo isn't stronger than Torcleaver infact there very close but the fact that DRK has an attack advantage on SAM means avg ws DMG wise Torcleaver will beat Fudo or there will be roughly the same on similarly geared players.

Now i'm not gonna say the math i presented proves DRK > SAM that's dumb cause it's situational stuff but since the Last resort buff allowing DRK to exceed SAM Ws Freq in combination of there superior melee DMG push DRK over SAM pure DMG wise.

As for inside abyssea i believe the fact Masamune has STR mod gives SAM an advantage on WS dmg w/ atmas but the SAM v DRK (DMG wise) thing is dumb in abyssea cause a WAR will just roll in with a ukko's and making it pointless to even think about.

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Now to the point FFXI isn't about all about DMG and outside abyssea DRKs DMG is pretty balanced (tho i believe we should be able to exceed WARs DMG for a small period of time at a FAIR cost ofc) but it's what DRK brings outside this....

The answer is nothing outside staggers
WAR beats us spike wise w/ Sekki Ukko's
SAM is able to use meditate and other abilties to tp w/out hitting the mob (Occult acumen could of been this too but it's based on mp and DRK has a sucky mp pool and little-no mp recovery)
DRG has Angon and the ablity to shed hate if in danger.
MNK can be a very effective backup Tank.

Honestly SE i know this may be ignored but you need to add something to DRK that adds to a group all we have atm is Stun and that is covered but any mage that can sub BLM or is a BLM because it's unresistable in most cases.

Either way thats how i feel about it.

[Taint2]

SAM TP is very underestimated in those figures and the haste is off by 3 for a 5hit. Cala is also ideal with a 7hit. Masa SAM is a premier DD outside of Abyssea. Superior gear, superior JAs (overall) and superior sub options. Zanhasso was a game changer for sure.

[StingRay104]

Thank you SE for totally ignoring us and giving us all SCARLET DIARRHEA despite the fact we quite clearly mentioned how terrible of an idea it was and should be deleted if you hav eno intention of fixing it. Better yet war was complaining about not getting anything let them have this worthless ability, except if you give it to them then you would fix it cuz god forbid war every get anything gimp.

[StingRay104]

500+ posts and yet after 2weeks+ we still have not even been acknowledge as being heard about our dislike of Scarlet Diarrhea. Hell any info from the devs has been small and vague at best. Is it too hard for the devs to actually tell you something Camate or are they just getting annoyed with you and by association us? Just wondering because I hate whats goin on with the game I've been playing for so many years and the lack of news is killing the game more.

[Cljader1]

They are not interested in us atm, I was thinking of making a developer thread in the dark knight forum to hopefully open up a dialog between us and the development team or make a formal thread to ask camate what are the plan for drk on the way to lvl 99. However I do wish we can have a dialog with the SE staff members to see what plans they have for us drks and what we can look forward too, but a conversation is a two ways street and I just wish SE would communicate with us.

[Urteil]

I'm kind of shocked, but the only jobs they talk about are BST and SCH.