Information on inventory relief, via staff consolidation, efforts

[Alhanelem]

Alhanelem, stop talking. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU. Go away.

It's not 'overpowered' to be able to take 8 staves that do the same thing and condense them down to one. Or are you in the camp that being able to stack crystal clusters is 'overpowered'.

Seriously. Your argument is wrong, you are wrong. Go. Away.

Someone didn't read the thread. You are calling SE wrong, because as far as I can tell, SE feels this way. SE is the one who feels that all the staves rolled into one would be too powerful.

You know what? I would LOVE to have all 8 staves rolled into one. I'm simply explaining why it won't happen.

So maybe you should go read the *&#^$ thread before you continue to attack me and being immature.

I dont think its overpowered to make one staff have Magic damage +5 and -12% magic casting time another one with pre cost -6 and BP delay -10. How would it be broken to save inventory space?

I agree. I would love to have it. Again, I'm only trying to explain away why SE won't make it happen.

You people have just decided to hate on me and not even really read or try to understand what I'm saying. Little did you know I was agreeing with you the whole time. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO EXPLAIN, OR PERHAPS HYPOTHESIZE IS THE WORD, WHY SE WILL NOT DO IT.

Obviously something about how I go about discussing things is confusing people or causing them to get the wrong idea, because now I get perosnally attacked even when I agree with the person doing the attacking!

[Kimble]

Well, perhaps stop it and wait for SE to actual give us a response.

You seem like you are trying to pass that what you think SE will say is fact, when it is not.

[Raksha]

I have a useful suggestion:

How about adding the Obi effects to the magian staves?

[Alhanelem]

Well, perhaps stop it and wait for SE to actual give us a response.

You seem like you are trying to pass that what you think SE will say is fact, when it is not.

No, I'm not passing it as fact. I am however passing it as a probable hypthesis, as they have made statements in the past that would imply that something like an all-elements-in-one staff is not likely.

How about adding the Obi effects to the magian staves?

would be cool, to be sure, but now we're talking about combinging two items in different gear slots. That would eliminate the need for any of those items and allow you to wear a belt with completely different effects. Don't you think that might be taking it a little far? Don't get me wrong, though, because I like the idea, just saying.

[Economizer]

That would eliminate the need for any of those items and allow you to wear a belt with completely different effects.

There aren't a lot of good belts you can wear - the best belts you can wear currently are the Obi, or if none of them are an option, some form of Fast Cast or Haste belt, or a belt that gives like 5 MAB or 10 INT or MND. The obi are so far ahead of any other equip option except when casting stuff that isn't affected by any more potency like Raise or certain enhancing magic (stuff you'd macro away from the obi for) that it wouldn't really hurt much to include this into the elemental staves.

In fact, the elemental staves don't have much further to go currently, so it sort of makes sense these effects would be added. I've heard that the cure potency staff for example, is only going up 1% in the next five levels, and the most common assumption is that by 99 it will only go to 25%. Two percent in nine levels is pitiful for the cost of upgrading - I certainly hope there is more to the upgrade then that.

All that said, if SE decides to make the staves work like obi in addition to other effects, the trial will probably include either farming the parts for the obi, or turning in an obi itself to make the staff. If the even plan on it. But I don't think that a couple extra INT or MAB is going to be the reason they wouldn't do this if they plan on not doing it.

[Kuishen]

ITT: Alhanelem thinks he knows how the Devs think.

Tell me Al, since you seem to have an in with the Devs, why don't you expand on some things that I'm sure a lot of people are very interested in?

Why are most mythics shit?
Why do the Devs continue to make melee based Relic/Mythic/Emp staves for BLM and SCH?
Why does RDM not have native staff skill?

There are a great many mysteries I'm sure people would be delighted to know since you seem to understand the Devs more than any of us.

[Rearden]

Analhelm ruining another great idea. You posted what you had to say, you disagree with great ideas all over the place.

You also like to argue and cause topics to go...off topic. If this wasn't true you would have stopped bickering after your first post and let people continue discussing the topic of combining the staves. We get it, you and Koprg have 70 extra inventory slots; the rest of us do not.

In before you say "I WILL NOT BE HELD DOWN" or some other martyrish excuse for why you need to keep propagating your ideas. You've said your peace and we disagree. Leave it at that. Any continuation to the contrary is an admission of guilt as far as WANTING to argue and WANTING to cause trouble in every topic you post in. That's called trolling and it is not okay on these message boards.

[Eurell]

Someone didn't read the thread. You are calling SE wrong, because as far as I can tell, SE feels this way. SE is the one who feels that all the staves rolled into one would be too powerful.

Did SE ever say that? Don't tell people they are disagreeing with SE, when SE didn't say anything. They are disagreeing with you.

Noone wants to hear your explanation of why SE won't do anything 50 times in one thread. Are you allowed to say it? Of course, but once is enough, and when everyone in the thread disagrees with you for the next 5 pages, its time to bow out and let people discuss what they want to discuss, instead of continuing an argument that is obviously going nowhere.

[Vivik]

Viewing threads that Analhelm hijacks gives me a headache...

Along the lines of combining staves, I think it's a good idea. Maybe even a staff sack or a pouch of some kind would be cool too. Not saying that it would be easy or possible to implement, would just be cool is all.

[Divinius]

In my opinion, a very likely reason that SE devs haven't yet considered combining staves is that they aren't "done" with the trials they have planned for them. Assuming that they intend to continue to add trials for the existing staves to makes them better as the level cap increases further, it would make sense that they would want those staves to be at their final stage before any kind of combination were to take place. Merging existing staves now wouldn't make sense if they plan to add more trials for them between now and 99. If they were going to merge them, the would most likely want to merge the final versions.