Current Limit Break Quest *95*

[Greatguardian]

Which is why I never said GE was the one committing the crime.

Wikia and GE also operate under licenses which explicitly prohibit this sort of thing. Not only is it plagiarism, but it also violates the terms of their license. It is the responsibility of Wikia/GE to ban users that violate this license. They choose to be lax on enforcement, and it's a total dick thing to do, but yes they can't really be held accountable for it.

I'm not saying that anyone needs to prosecute GE/Wikia, but to say that their users aren't blatantly stealing information from other sources is being willfully ignorant. Korpg was proposing that Wikia and GE are the first source for FFXI information, and that BGWiki simply copies from them. This is straight up wrong. Wikia benefits from a longer lifespan, a significantly wider user base, and (now this is important) very lax editing standards.

People post straight up wrong information on Wikia all the time. Practically nothing is cited or tested, and what has been tested is generally just stolen without any citation whatsoever from the Allakhazam or BG mathies that tested it. Sure, Wikia has more information, but it also has a significantly lower quality of information available.

BGWiki's fatal flaw is the fact that the submitters are so meticulous about adding information. Nothing goes on until it has been tested and proven. Anything that hasn't been tested, just stays blank until it is. When you go to BGWiki, you know that damn near every piece of information there is 100% accurate and confirmed by multiple people/sources. Unfortunately, the people able/willing to do that sort of testing and analysis are few and far between, and they don't exactly have mountains of free time. Testing even one JA/JT can take hours if done properly.

GE is basically a copy-paste of Wikia with some newer copy-paste from BG and has no real distinguishing features aside from being "moderated".

If you want general, Take-with-a-grain-of-salt information on random crap like AF quests, Wikia is fine as long as you can sift through the bullshit and incorrect information. If you want up to date information on the newest stuff in the game as soon as possible, check BGWiki. If you don't want to deal with the bullshit-o-meter and just want correct information, check BGWiki first and then check Wikia if they just haven't finished that page yet. But to come in and call BG unreliable and slow is just ignorant. I'm sorry if the website upsets you, but that doesn't make it any less credible.

In Korpg's case, was FFXIAH really any better to you? =/ Every thread I read there consisted primarily of "stfu fatpg". At least BG banned you so you didn't have to deal with constant abuse. It was for your own good, bro.

[Easykiller]

I've created a new thread for BGWiki People to argue their superiority on.

Please continue the troll/flame war there: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...839#post192839

and leave this thread for its actual topic.

/sigh... I tried

[MarkovChain]

Not really. If you want fresh new information you read JP forums. Arguing otherwise means you think only NA play the game. If you want solid information on, say, how an event works, you probably want to check the wiki unless it's voidwatch (nothing was lost). If you want perfect info on how an event works, you play the game. If you don't like wikia info, edit, problem solved. I think some people have problem with diffusing information to the mass. If you are mad at the sources lacking post them. Internet credits.

[Yugl]

What is wiki anyway, besides a compilation of sources of information into one simple to use website. Are you going to start accusing all wikis of "stealing" information then? Wikis are great places to start looking for information and can expand on that information based on sources (FFXI wiki doesn't really need sources since most of the information there can be verified on the game, not from other sources of information (forums), you can do the missions and battlefields from the information on the wiki instead of having to look at pointless jabber (BG, KI, FFXIAH) for pages on end to get the little jewel of information those websites offer on occasion).

It is funny to claim knowledge on a game. There is no real plagiarism because all aspects of your knowledge is based on a recreation activity and not on actual important information you would need to make real decisions of your life. But keep fighting for the right to say that you came up with that aspect of how to swing an axe on an online game.

1. Compilations of sources use citations. If they do not, they are stealing intangible property.
2. Citation aren't just for verification. Nor do they mean the information written is correct.
3. Guides are different from mechanics. I would hope you know this by now.
4. Much of Wiki's mission derives from that "pointless jabber." You wouldn't know this though since GE doesn't cite stuff.

Edit: Wait, people think much more discussion is going to come out of a thread about a preexisting limit break quest? Really?

[Gokku]

Alhanelem please stop being a tool and take your posts out of the clean thread you and korpg have made your points known and already ruined 1 thread stop acting like children if you have no usefull info please leave the thread.

[Alhanelem]

Gokku stop being a tool and acting like you can give orders to people on a public forum.

Personally, I don't know why you, someone who has not been on the test server, is trying to be an authority figure on information on the test server.

There was no need to erase your original post just because the topic derailed. Reposting a derailed topic and trying to direct people away from it by erasing what meaningful information it did contain is an immature thing to do, as is flaming and attacking me and others when they made legitimate comments, right or wrong as they may have been. I also like how you're pegging this on me when i had little to do with the direction this topic took.

[Greatguardian]

He was bringing Fire from the Gods in Mount Olympus to the Mortals down below. Stop pecking out his liver.

It doesn't matter if he plays on the test server or not. The info is solid, was collected elsewhere, and he had the good sense to share it here. The readership of this board rarely coincides with the readership of BG, so this is new information to most people. He did a good dead. Get the hell out.

[Alhanelem]

He was bringing Fire from the Gods in Mount Olympus to the Mortals down below. Stop pecking out his liver.

Well, that's an accurate way of putting it.

It does matter if he did or not, because then it would be straight from the horses mouth instead of "I read on some other forum that someone heard that someone said this was the limit break quest."

Regardless of that, you just post information, and hope people read it. If the topic derails, erasing the info from it and reposting it elsewhere doesn't help anything.

[Greatguardian]

Posting hearsay is only a bad thing when people do it without citing any source, any testing, or any proof.

He cited all of these things. He cited multiple testimonials, dat mines, and has handled questions and criticism remarkably well (eg, adjusting the OP when it was proven that multiple items could work for the quest).

Firsthand experience is not necessary when experience is properly tested and documented. We're not talking about pulling crap from GE and not knowing who the hell posted it or where they got their information from.

[Alhanelem]

First hand experience, where it is reasonably possible, is much better than just referring to something else, especially when the information source post appeared to be questionable at first. It wouldn't have mattered if the post linked was on any other site.

Unless Gokku can tell me that he doesn't have reasonable access to the test server (e.g. doesn't play on the PC at all), it would not have been that difficult to just go on there and verify the information.

He also was being extremely rude after we posted relevant comments (that were based on a misreading of the post, but still relevant comments). I expect people to be civil in disagreement.