Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

[Ash]

There seems to be a trend here. Mostly you speaking for entire groups of people. I'm not trying to seem cool or intelligent by the way. By the way, that's not how I talk to everyone. Just people who deserve it.

Deserve it because i don t agree with you? because i personally think that dropping ps2 support without at least a ps3 port means the death of the game? you really need to enlighten me with your wisdom on that one.

Oh and btw in your infinite wisdow, on what system do i play ff11?

[Eric]

No you don't deserve it because you've shown yourself to be someone who doesn't really think before he posts, and also someone who selfishly would rather watch the game die than watch PS2 support be dropped.

Also, I don't know or care what system you play FFXI on. I'm not the mind reader here.

Or are you assuming that I'm infinitely wise because I go to university? That's a common mistake that uneducated commoners tend to make. You are forgiven.

Back to the subject at hand, I think that SE should post the results of the survey with the next version update or something. I'm curious to see the numbers.

[Arcon]

LMAO at posting links to people complaining about the PS2 in Japanese as evidence that they should keep it.

This. It's true that many Japanese people play on PS2 (relatively), but the arguments are exactly the same as here. And no one of us here would be complaining either if SE ported the game to the PS3. While it's a console, and therefore also static, it could well be another 20 years before FFXI becomes unplayable on that. Fact is, they complain about PS2 as much as we do and want the same thing.

People who wanna play it on PS2 have brought me the following reasons so far:
- They can't afford a PC
If money is your only issue, it's a non-issue. Incredibly cheap PCs are available everywhere, and if you still have a PC from the last five years, chances are it can play FFXI as good or better as the PS2.

A popular counter-argument to this is: "It's not for you to judge what's cheap!" Which would be true, if I didn't know your regular expenses. I may not know all of them, but I know some of them (assuming you're actually paying for your FFXI account), and if there are more, the argument just becomes more valid. And seeing how it's not much more than some of your regular payment options to upgrade to a PC, it's actually appropriate to call it cheap.

- They wanna play on a TV
Can do that with the PC and any TV from the last decade. May need to buy an adapter (~$5).

- They wanna play with a controller
Can do that with the PC and your current controller. Again, may need to buy an adapter (~$5).

A popular counter-argument to the last two is: "I just wanna play, I don't wanna deal with all of this stuff, I don't have the computer-knowledge to make it work!" Obviously, however, you have internet access, where you can find an easy 3-step solution to make the controller work. There aren't any solutions online to connecting it to the TV, because literally all you have to do is plug it in.

- They like the smoothness and graphics
PC does it better. It won't exceed 30 FPS though, because that's what FFXI is hard capped at. It doesn't on your PS2 either, for that matter.

- They like playing on PS2
As weird as this reason sounds, it's the only valid argument I've seen people bring here, because it's a matter of personal preference, instead of factual accuracy (or inaccuracy) as the previous arguments. If that is really the case, then I hope for you, that they don't cancel the PS2. I still hope for everyone else though, that they do.

Note that this is just the "Con" column of the argument, which can effectively be reduced to 1 argument, which is personal preference. The "Pro" column on the other hand goes on and on. And I truly believe that if you really are against it for that one valid reason, you could be convinced once you see the benefits of the PC version. You should try it out and see for yourself, several people here already confirmed how the switch affected them, and that they're better off on the PC now.

[FrankReynolds]

Funny, towards the end of that thread they are all complaining about how expensive it is to get PS2s repaired.

[Ash]

No you don't deserve it because you've shown yourself to be someone who doesn't really think before he posts, and also someone who selfishly would rather watch the game die than watch PS2 support be dropped.

Also, I don't know or care what system you play FFXI on. I'm not the mind reader here.

Or are you assuming that I'm infinitely wise because I go to university? That's a common mistake that uneducated commoners tend to make. You are forgiven.

let ask you this do you know exactly how many people worldwide play on ps2? because what if there is enough of them(thats a hint about the system i play on btw) that suddently the game isn t profitable anymore? If the S-E account system epic fail taugh us anything its that people do not like change

And commoner, seriously who are you the queen of england?

[Ash]

Funny, towards the end of that thread they are all complaining about how expensive it is to get PS2s repaired.

Isnt that a hint that not only do they play on the system, but have no intention of switching to another system?

[Eric]

Isnt that a hint that not only do they play on the system, but have no intention of switching to another system?

Or it could be them just talking about how playing on PS2 is a hassle. Neither of us know. The difference is that you're blindly assuming things just because it will benefit your cause.

[FrankReynolds]

let ask you this do you know exactly how many people worldwide play on ps2? because what if there is enough of them(thats a hint about the system i play on btw) that suddently the game isn t profitable anymore? If the S-E account system epic fail taugh us anything its that people do not like change

And commoner, seriously who are you the queen of england?

Who are you? Caesar Chavez? There will be no PS2 lovers Union Boycott of FFXI. People who love the game will play it however they can.

[Ash]

Or it could be them just talking about how playing on PS2 is a hassle. Neither of us know. The difference is that you're blindly assuming things just because it will benefit your cause.

I could say the exact same thing about you....and my cause, again your highness your assuming...

[Eric]

I could say the exact same thing about you....and my cause, again your highness your assuming...

Oh so you mean you're not blatantly talking about how PS2 support shouldn't be dropped? It doesn't take someone educated to figure that out. It's not hard to see your position when this is a 2-sided debate.

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Regardless of whether or not PS2 support should be dropped, no good argument can be made against the fact that it is holding down further development of FFXI.