If RDM and SCH can't have Cure 5, give us Afflatus Misery/Solace

[Reaux]

Oh look, more WHM curebots who are scared RDM / SCH will take their job away (again). WHMs were only unwanted in merit parties. You were never replaced.

We don't want your job. We want to be able to support you. Cure IV isn't good enough for that.

You're right! That is why you throw out that Cure IV when you can, refresh us, and keep haste/enfeebles up. OMG RDM Supporting in a way RDM is supposed to? Run Away! SCH slap some Aurorastorm on yourself or the WHM or the DNC, it does boost CHR, to make Cures more potent or use an element that ties into the mobs weakness so your nukes are higher. Use the right storm spell to make a SMN's avatar perp less and abilities stronger or give the tank more AGI and hate, you can even surpress a BLM hate gain so they can nuke more often. The roles are support, not healing, so support the WHOLE party not just the heals. You can nuke and enfeeble or make other jobs more effective. So do it. That is your niche and what makes you individual.

In every MMO there is really just 1 healer, the rest are hybrids that are passable at best but never as good unless you have multiple in a group.

The main issue is RDM and SCH players thinking that healing is their only viable way of supporting and their only role, and the base perpetuates this. Use your tools!

Edit: Sorry for possibly using the wrong terms for spells. I was typing rather quickly and didn't pay full attention if I was using the right term. I will edit it later to reflect properly what point I am trying to get across.

[Shiyo]

In every MMO there is really just 1 healer, the rest are hybrids that are passable at best but never as good unless you have multiple in a group.

I see you've never played a MMO besides FFXI in your entire life.

[Jerbob]

You must be fighting different mobs to me or be in a different party environment then, because if I'm casting pretty much constantly on the stuff that matters then I'm not sure how you could be casting three times as many spells as me. And of course, White mages can (and should, and do) sleep, enfeeble and dispel stuff when other jobs more suited to it aren't around. I know I do.

[Economizer]

I don't think anybody cares about five extraneous seconds of Blindness one way or the other.

I've had random damage dealers demand I remove the flash effect on them before.

[Siiri]

People are talking about generally talking about White Mages who have mastered the art of wandering away from the computer, complain if someone changes trousers and momentarily vanishes as a result, allow paralyze to age like the finest European cheese, and feel Haste is the such a luxury that it should be taxed. There are people who suck at FFXI in ways you can not imagine.

I don't think anybody cares about five extraneous seconds of Blindness one way or the other.

Exactly, I went mnk to hands seal NM in abyssea a couple weeks ago. I was talked out of being white mage. I was at 660 hp for 11 seconds before I died. Yes, I could have used some meds, but these are the situations I see which is the reason I am white mage only by and large. I admit I purposely didn't try to use meds, but I did Chakra. (Obviously since I counted I was proving something, if only to myself. Which is I can't ever not go white mage) Also, my monk doesn't suck, it has a black belt and full tantra and I do gear swap into arhat's etc. I agree if you play white mage aggressively and try to predict tp moves etc, it is a fun job that is just as challenging as anything else. Most people snooze through it though. As for true white mages, the whiny DDs who complain about blind etc obnoxiously just get the bandaids thrown at their heads.

[Reaux]

I see you've never played a MMO besides FFXI in your entire life.

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it untrue.

[Shiyo]

WOW - > 4 main healers, 10 classes

Rift - > 20 classes, 4 mainhealers.

FF14 - > like 6 classes, 2 main healers


wat

[Economizer]

And of course, White mages can (and should, and do) sleep, enfeeble and dispel stuff when other jobs more suited to it aren't around. I know I do.

I love Repose, it is like a giant target to wake up the mob and force the White Mage to kite a mob while main healing too.

In an ideal situation, a White Mage is Flashing the mob too, since you can avoid many TP moves this way. And Devotion other mages on a timer (gearing for this isn't the hard part, climbing into the shoes of the party member so you are in range is). And keeping Haste up with half the duration, Barspells up that like to wear when you blink, and Auspice and now Boost spells (although for the weak stuff I can ignore this if I'm being lazy, I'm not exactly waiting for Boost-STR to come out in a party aspect).

It doesn't help that half a White Mage's spells and abilities were designed to be used in the nostrils of a dragon in order to hit anyone in range.

Thieves who think party members get perma-flee and run in circles around a mob when they ready SATA have never tried to Curaga a group of people before, after, or during any combat - you will inevitably miss a party member or two even if you warn them, costing precious MP.

Of course, playing White Mage will feel much easier if you try to pull of the same things using a job that was only designed to blast a crater into the ground and occasionally apply band-aids, and then compare the two.

A good White Mage will look like a psychic genius who cures you to full health faster then it takes to use a cure spell the split-second after to take a fireball to the face, after managing to negate most of the damage of said fireball, and removing the burn effect that was left over. A incredibly good White Mage will also have Club capped to brutally murder any party members using yellow HP latent effects.

[Meyi]

I use Cure III outside of Abyssea still. Last I recalled, RDM and SCH got these spells as well.

I really don't see what the jobs are crying about.

Edit: And shouldn't RDM be relieved that they no longer need to refresh everyone in the party? Now they can spend more time wiffing with their swords.

[Reaux]

WOW - > 4 main healers, 10 classes

Rift - > 20 callings, 4 mainhealers.

FF14 - > like 6 classes, 2 main healers
wat

WoW 1 main healer = Priest, the rest are hybrids that don't ever match in healing prowess unless a Druid goes full healing spec.

Rift I havent played so I cannot talk about it.

FF14 1 main healer = Conjurer, Thaumaturge is a main enfeeble with some healing support: in fact most of it's heals are now single target only with higher MP/HP sacrifice.