Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

[Arcon]

I play the PS2 version almost exclusively. I started on the PS2 back a few months before Treasures was released. I don't much like playing on the PC (and I actually do hate Microsoft so no 360 in my game room) because the PC version behaves really strangely from what I've seen (yes, I do maintain a PC install for when those PS2 limitations rear their ugly heads). Dusk and dawn occur on the PC version in almost jarring bursts, no transition at all. Names spawn with the targets killing what is a useful visual cue for aggro range on the PS2. There's other issues on top of those but they're are many small little quips like subdued colors and flat textures. Now, I say I play the PS2 version and not just PS2 because I do have one of those old PS3s ( a 60g, complete with it's hardware BC) and, honestly, I would stop playing if I couldn't use the PS2 version anymore. It's hard to get around the various oddities of the PC version.

All that said, I did not check Windows PC in the survey because I don't play on Windows. I play on Ubuntu via Wine. Yeah, I don't like Microsoft. At all. Period.

I didn't even know about those oddities. The first one I've never seen. the second one seems like a technical limitation of the PS2 (I didn't know about it). The third seems wrong, are you saying your game looks better on the PS2? For someone who manages to use such a crappy operating system it seems weird that you can't adjust the settings for FFXI. You can't possibly tell me your game looks anything even remotely like this:
http://95.156.209.71/pub/ffxi/pics/i...904_170159.png

[Eric]

It's selfish and stubborn to base your ideology for not wanting to play FFXI on a computer from your experiences with playing FFXI on WINE (which will never run as well as FFXI on a *real* PC).

Your extreme grudge against Microsoft also gives us a view into the sort of stubborn mindset that plagues most PS2 players. I am glad that SE is requiring players to use a PC to update and manage their FFXI accounts, because by doing so, they are insuring that every single player has access to a PC.

What I've learned from this thread is that it's only the loud minority of PS2 players who are against dropping PS2 support. People say "PC users are the majority here, because you need a pc to view the forums". Well guess what? It's not only PC users who are on the forums. As I've said before, the new billing system requires people to use a PC. It would be foolish to think that PS2 users are being underrepresented. The truth is that you are just not as big of a group as you previously had thought.

EDIT: Arcon, what background resolution are you using?

[FrankReynolds]

Right i am making false claims. I definitely didn't freeze up everytime i attended any LS event. I was totally dreaming when I froze in abyssea in the middle of a briarius fight and had to reinstall losing me both my time in abyssea and the zone win. My LS decided to leave me out of events just because they don't like me, not because i freeze everytime there is more than 12 sprites on the screen. I made all of this up JUST to spite you becaus enothing microsoft makes is ever flawed. EVER. No one has ever complained about the game freezing during beseiged and dynamis. I am just coming up with all of these things because I hate the 360 so much that I bought one instead of the PS3. Maybe squenix and Microsoft purposely do something so that only my 360 freezes when i play FFXi in an effort to make me quit, because that hate my money that much...

All that being said here comes the actual reply...

You are in the minority if yous has NEVER frozen on FFXI. Of course it could just be that your 360 is newer than mine, but who has the cash to go out and buy a newer version everytime it comes out? Just because YOURS doesn't freeze on this game doesn't meant that NO ONES freezes. Out of my 7(excluding myself) rl friends that play the game on 360 4 have the exact same problem, but I guess they are making it up too. If 4/7 in RL and 3 out of 5(estimate. I just know a metric shit ton were either laughin at or crying about it) people were making fun of the same problem in shouting matches in white gate, I myself could not call that a fabrication.

lol If I go shout with my friends in Port Jeuno (in case your wondering, nobody wants to hear your BS complaints in shouts in WG) about why you should move from PS2, will that make it a fact? Sounds to me like your a flake who blames his force D/C on his system.

[FrankReynolds]

Linux is for web servers and databases. If you want to do everything the hard way, try porting FFXI to Atari. Or better yet make your own server, and only play with people that use PONG wheels to control the game. I'm Not impressed by your desire to play on an out of production platform or an OS that was not intended to run the game in the first place.

However, "If my PS2 breaks, I will quit the game." is a great argument for not supporting the PS2 so please keep that up.

If I was SE, and I heard everyone with a PS2 saying "If my PS2 breaks and I have to get the PC version I will quit..." I would drop those soon to be non customers like a bad habit. Why support customers who are going to quit as soon as their console that is running on hope and rainbows dies? I'm surprised any of those still work.

I think Square Enix should start a PS2 only server. Just so they can clock that $25 per char fee when they all try to transfer to the PC / 360 servers. Then they can make PS2 Onry people transfer at their leisure and charge them for being stubborn. Its a win / win.

[Arcon]

EDIT: Arcon, what background resolution are you using?

Overlay 1920 x 1080, background 2048 x 2048. Try that on your PS2, Gilraen.

[Eric]

I love how all of the "arguments" for why PS2 support should not be dropped are nothing but personal anecdotes about how poor, ignorant, or stubborn these people can be.

That being said, I feel bad for all of the non-retarded PS2 players, because the people in this thread are just a terrible representation of the PS2 playerbase.

[FrankReynolds]

I didn't even know about those oddities. The first one I've never seen. the second one seems like a technical limitation of the PS2 (I didn't know about it). The third seems wrong, are you saying your game looks better on the PS2? For someone who manages to use such a crappy operating system it seems weird that you can't adjust the settings for FFXI. You can't possibly tell me your game looks anything even remotely like this:
http://95.156.209.71/pub/ffxi/pics/i...904_170159.png

He cant see that resolution, he still uses a Green screen monitor because he doesn't support the separate GPU model computers (they are just trying to force you to buy newer parts)

[Atomic_Skull]

Overlay 1920 x 1080, background 2048 x 2048. Try that on your PS2, Gilraen.

Ideally you should be using 3840x2160

[Arcon]

Ideally you should be using 3840x2160

Was just too lazy to edit the registry yet (new install), selected this from the FFXI Config Utility.

[Dragoy]

All that said, I did not check Windows PC in the survey because I don't play on Windows. I play on Ubuntu via Wine. Yeah, I don't like Microsoft. At all. Period.

I would (and did) still check the Windows version, as that is essentially what you (and I) are using.


Moreover, I wanted to note that the game runs perfectly fine for me under Gentoo Linux, which I have been using almost exactly a year now, and it runs modern graphically intense games better than need be as well.

It is not quite the same as Ubuntu (some say it's an African word for "Gentoo is too difficult for me" though not that I agree with that sentiment), but I am sure not many are interested on those details here. ~grin~

Sure, applications made for that windoz thing at the time will not run to the same limits under *nix, but if your machine is capable, they will run more than adequate. And things are getting better and better all the time. If only more developers would opt OpenGL instead of DirectX, it would be even more better, and likely sooner.

The mind-set of 'Linux being only for servers and whatnot' seems awfully closed-minded to me. Not that it really concerns me; I just wanted to note that it's not as unusable as some might make it seem, quite the contrary, I feel like I am able to do more, and speficially I am able to control more myself, and do things the way I want to, not the way they decided I should do. I have not had the need to boot up window$ during the year that I've used Gentoo, and I can't really even start to describe how happy I am about that.


But I digress.


I don't intend on railing the topic to these tracks; just felt like saying this!
Kind Regards,