Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Runespider]

It's pretty obvious Square are going to wait and see what kind of fallout there is from this before they do a damn thing (if they do at all) so I would suggest everyone that has issues with this look for alternative games to play to try hold out for a while or maybe permanently. It's entirely possible these payment options are here to stay and they will give no others (for overseas players), even if it means a significant loss of profits. Square are a JP company, they don't like admiting they are in the wrong and will eat failure pie before doing so. Look at FFXIV and how many warning signs they got it was bad and ignored them all.

Ignoring it's users is the ultimate slap in the face and shows how little they respect us, they just think we are too addicted and stupid to quit or take a long break over this. If that's true and they know us all so well, then maybe we deserve these crappy payment options.

[Niyariko]

...without Content ID, no character, can't post. I reactivated my account on the 13th, after I got a new credit card that ClickandBuy would accept.

So I guess after September 3 no one will be complaining anymore, at least not on here. SE might take that as a sign that it's all ok now. It would fit their logic.

Thx for correcting me, I guess I was wrong
I guess i'll complain in ffxiv forum past aug 31.

[Orlind]

Think I'll be joining the people playing other games when my content IDs are deactivated as well. I've already started getting back into the Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE MMO and its more fleshed out than it was when it first started its US release.

And with SF3: 3rd Strike OE already preordered, I might just become the next Daigo Umehara with how much time I'm not on FFXI.

To the person mentioning Absolute Poker and their website not listing C&B: its probably because the site doesn't have it as a preferred payment processor. The ones they have listed probably have better deals with AP for ads and/or are easier to handle for the customer and their phone agents.

I used to work at a rival online poker company and with C&B, we just had it as a last resort to keep customers. However, those same customers would always come back and complain about how bad C&B was in the end.

Makes me wonder how S-E's support centre is going to handle the calls I used to get about C&B because I probably have tips for their phone agents

[Niyariko]

...I've already started getting back into the Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE MMO and its more fleshed out than it was when it first started its US release...

LOL thanks for reminding me of this game, I tried long ago when JP first released, and wonder if my character is still there. I might give this a try again. Before was all in japanese, and everyone was japanese, so now there is a NA version in english? hows the server? are they multi region like ffxi?

[Jerbob]

Has anyone seen the new server message that comes up when you log in? It's "reminding" us to switch over to one of the new payment systems before the end of the month... I'm almost certainly reading too much into it but it could imply that fewer people have moved to one of the new systems than they would have liked.

[Harukusan]

Took me 10 minutes to sign up and switch to C&B. My life has not gone through any significant change during this process. You're all overreacting. I understand if it's not available to your region whatsoever that you would be concerned, but everyone else needs to stop digging in mommy's purse and get themselves an account with a real bank and establish real credit.

[Raiyara]

Tbh u dont need Click'and'Scam just use Paypal I got it working all you gotta do is

1) Create paypal account
2) Get Credit Card verified (can be done withing a day or so with online banking)
3) Log into SE account and Select buy Crysta
4) Select Ultimatepay
5) Select Paypal in the tab
6) Login to paypal account and pay.
7) Recieve the Crysta
8) No surcharges or nothing u now have gametime!

[Aldersyde]

Took me 10 minutes to sign up and switch to C&B. My life has not gone through any significant change during this process. You're all overreacting. I understand if it's not available to your region whatsoever that you would be concerned, but everyone else needs to stop digging in mommy's purse and get themselves an account with a real bank and establish real credit.

I won't use CnB because when I asked my bank whether I should (after I heard about U.S. banks freezing accounts or calling people to clear charges from CnB) they told me that since they were an other wise little known international vendor and that they were involved in types of services that could be used to perpetrate fraudulent transactions, the fraud prevention system would most likely be triggered every time CnB tried to charge my card. Plus, when I googled them(really, just looking at the first two pages of a google search isn't really an intensive inquiry) I saw more than enough to realize that I wanted nothing to do with them: poor customer service that was apparent in 2007 which still carries on, seeming random difficulties in people setting up accounts, making you fill out a template with all your information before telling you the service in unavailable in your region, requesting sensitive documents like a passport to verify identity (when I got my passport, the agent who processed my application told me that I was never to give my passport to anyone outside the government or in law enforcement, or reproduce it for that matter). At the very least CnB is amateurish and inconvenient. I know people will say, "Just call your bank if it triggers fraud alarms and get it cleared" but that defeats the purpose of an automated payment option.

You have no problems. Great! I don't care. I don't want to deal with them and I won't deal with them. They should have chosen a more reputable third party. In Canada, while Paypal is at least listed as a partner in fraud prevention on the anti-fraud government website (Phonebusters), CnB is no where to be seen. Face it, even though Paypal has had problems, they are better known by NA banks and at least make a show of working with government agencies to protect people from fraud. It's simply more reputable.

I transferred over and chose crysta. Still no crysta in my account because I'm not sure I've seen anything worth paying for next month whereas if they had kept direct billing for the rest of world or used a better third party vendor they would have got my money without doing anything.

I won't even get into how blatantly insulting it is to give one group of customers more options than another group of customers simply based on the region they live ESPECIALLY when they had the same options before.

You say people are overreacting. I say you're naive and don't care enough about your personal and financial information. I'm not going to give my information to a company I don't trust and hope they use it for the purposes they say they're using it for. That's just stupid.

[Yinnyth]

Tbh u dont need Click'and'Scam just use Paypal I got it working all you gotta do is

1) Create paypal account
2) Get Credit Card verified (can be done withing a day or so with online banking)
3) Log into SE account and Select buy Crysta
4) Select Ultimatepay
5) Select Paypal in the tab
6) Login to paypal account and pay.
7) Recieve the Crysta
8) No surcharges or nothing u now have gametime!

9) set each account payment method to use crysta
10) repeat steps 3-6 everytime crysta runs low
11) bemoan the muda (waste) of the crysta that will never be spent on anything
12) pray SE doesn't flex their crysta rights. Seriously, have you read the crysta agreement? It's ridiculous what they're allowing themselves to do. I'd be less reluctant to sign an agreement that says they get to kick me in the pants at any moment without warning because at least then I'd still have my money.

[Runespider]

I transferred over and chose crysta. Still no crysta in my account because I'm not sure I've seen anything worth paying for next month whereas if they had kept direct billing for the rest of world or used a better third party vendor they would have got my money without doing anything.

I think this will start to happen for a lot of the distruntled customers now, they will turn loyal long standing subscribers into fairweather friends. They will take people that have paid monthly non-stop for years into people that will only pay that month if they feel Square have done enough to warrant the fee.