Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

[Neika]

Highest level of security?! Are you kidding me?! My bank told me not to do business with Click and Buy! And exactly how does giving my CC info to a third party make it more secure? It sounds less secure to me. I really don't see how you can say this change is for security reasons and expect us all to believe it.

[RAIST]

eh.. if only it had been an automated response--would have written that off as simply that, automated reply. I got that when I submitted the complaint about a week ago. Think I deleted it, so not sure exactly when it was, but my daughter was here, so it was before Sunday.

This was a follow-up, issued at least 4 or 5 days later... that is what is so annoying.

[Revanchist]

SE has no clue... It's their accountants who are trying to squirrel away as much money they can from their initial figures. No thought about long term revenue etc.

/clap

Bravo SE... You have just gone and committed suicide, albeit a slow, debilitating suicide. Do they really think people who are affected by this, will continue to support them by purchasing their products now? I already know about half a dozen former FFXI players, who had preorders for other upcoming SE games (whether produced or distibuted by them.), if it has 'Squareenix' on the front of the box, they've cancelled their order. Going to extremes, yes... but on the otherhand, they feel 'screwed over' because of this and want nothing more to do with this company.

Speaking for myself... I honestly don't care anymore. IF SE decides to allow direct payment for all non JP players, that's fine and I'll keep playing. If they don't... no more $35AUSD in my account will go to them at all. Either way, I still win... in a roundabout way.

[Vold]

I think the most relevant question from that thread was actually this:


Looks like you guys can skip the 26 day countdown. They aren't going to do anything in time.

I expect them to act only AFTER Sept rolls around to test the I quit waters to see if they really need to bother further. If/when the people surprise them by not continuing to play I suspect it'll be around Sept 15 before we can pay direct again or through paypal as they have actual serious business discussions about the situation. Considering the trouble they're already gone through I'm pretty damn certain we will never be able to pay direct again. We'll see additional 3rd party options at best. But hey, hopefully I'm wrong on that.

[Malamasala]

If they are lucky, the missing payments will cancel forum accounts too, and they can go "Oh, nobody is complaining any more. We did the right thing!"

Honestly though, I'm not paying them until they have a decent option. (I could go for a paypal (with no additional fees) exact Crysta method). End of August is when my account will probably die, and then end of September I'll see if they solved the issue, or I'll just quit permanently.

I don't expect to be "allowed" to continue playing though. I've always had to wait years on my requests.

[Panthera]

We do know that someone is watching though since they nuked the "How much will SE lose" thread, no reason given.

I think the answer to that question is simple. Everything.

They have to maintain a certain profit margin; they're not a running a break-even operation. They lose too many people and it's game over, for us and them. More specifically, the question was,"how much business do they lose if they do nothing, how much do they lose if they just give us $1.00 amounts for Chrysta, and will going with PayPal be enough to save FFXI?"

They'll do whatever it takes to remain profitable.

If it's more profitable for them to proceed as planned, that's what they'll do.
If it's more profitable for them to use PayPal, or direct Visa charges and pass the charge onto consumers, that's what they'll do.

[Lahan]

Also click and buy hits you with the following:

08/03/2011 FEE C&C CLICKANDBUY INTLFOREIGN TRANSACTION FEE $0.42

I am in the U.S.A.

I cancelled that crap.

Also ultimatepay lets you go through PayPal (which is free).

13.95 is my monthly hit to them normally.

(sorry if it was already reported and I see it was)

[Fearforever]

Besides being double billed for this month and having to call my banks fraud department to let me use C&B all is well so far...

I still lol @ the Security reason from SE. Its like giving your car keys to a shady guy and telling them to take it to the garage for you because the garage wont take it directly from you.

[RAIST]

Oh no no no... we no longer want to have your name/address/phone/CC numbers on our receipts and such....we want John Smith from down the street to handle it. We don't care if there are issues with you paying John Smith--we have a contract with him and we know we won't have any problems getting money from him.

Absurd analogy I know....but, then again..... maybe not?

Edit:
Been meaning to dig this support thread up for quite some time now, but I couldn't remember what I had searched on to find it a few weeks ago when I started trying to find out about C&B before all this blew up in our faces. Managed to track it down again though:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ease-help.html

It's an interesting read. I encourage everyone to read through it even though it is 39 posts. It did eventually get settled, but it was a really screwy situation. And it isn't the only time something like this happened--there were other issues with iTunes and people were questiong legal options as well in late 2010. This happened during the first quarter of 2011 (Feb/March)--not the 2007-2009 crap that is usually what you find (warhammer, blizzard issues and such). This involved issues with managing an iTunes account and an online gambling account, and hints at a potential LIBEL suit because C&B disclosed unsolicited confidential information and may have broken the law in doing so--even had to bring in the FSA for assistance.

[Karbuncle]

I think ClickAndBuy was the least expensive path and they took it.

We need to face reality and realize gaming companies don't care about us at all, they want money, to them we're money, they don't care how we feel about it so long as they save a dime, they don't care how inconvenienced we are until it cuts into their bottom line.

Saddly, even with all this huff and puffing they'll likely continue profiting enough from the people who just say "fk it" and buy Crysta. The Reps/Devs might care about us, but the Company Itself does not, rest assured, we are nothing to them outside of a source of money to exploit.

They're a business, and unfortunately that means making business calls. They think they'll come out ahead by doing this, and they're probably right.

Unless 1/4th~1/2 of the population quits because of this, nothing will change. Hell, They've even gone out of their way to convenience the JP Crowd more. Its almost like they're trying to alienate foreign players.