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    I've always either shouted or asked the various LS I was in for help. I did all my ToAU missions and assault farming with my salvage LS, I did CoP with shout groups, I did ksnm/enm with the same LSes, I used to do The ashu talif bcs with them too. Problem is that everyone wants everything RIGHT NOW without putting effort into it. If you don't help your "friends" they won't help you back. If they won't help you maybe you should reconsider the term "friend". It took me a while to meet a few solid players on which I could count but once it was done I had no issue asking for help especially on such a trivial event. Problem is that a lot of player think all they need to be good at the game is join a LS expecting to have everything drop in their pocket w/o effort. Back when there was endgame I had 5-6 LS one for each event and it worked fine. You want nyzul ? I'm sure plenty of others need it too. Keep shouting for people interested in outside of abyssea activity, build a special LS and update the LSmes regularely. There are plenty of stuff to do between cop/taou/wotg missions. Oh wait I bet you don't want to do that. You only want people that would help help you without helping back ?
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    Hope you realize theres a 3 zone limit on this. You try to enter Nyzul and there are 3 scrubs soloing in a zone and you are locked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    Hope you realize theres a 3 zone limit on this. You try to enter Nyzul and there are 3 scrubs soloing in a zone and you are locked out.
    Yeah, that may be a problem....

    ...unless they do it like Dynamis.
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    Or get friends.
    I have friends. But why should I be forced to drag them or anyone else onto something that I know for sure I can do by myself?

    I used to spam that Leaujoam Sanctum assalut where you find the real treasure chest among the fake ones all the time. I could easily solo it, but the system forces me to bring two people with me even though they don't really need to be there or do anything. What if my friends aren't online? Then I wouldn't be able to do it at all.

    SE has been gradually moving away from forced grouping since it was one of people's biggest complaints about the game early on. Most of the minimum party size limits are completely unnecessary. A limit might make sense when it's not practical to win something with too few people, but outside of that, it's just a roadblock.

    Thea rgument that it would lead to wait times I could go along with if assault and salvage and such were still popular, but they're not. I don't think it would be a major issue.
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    Ask your friends to enter with you then use fireflies. It takes 5 minutes top. You are a bit naive if you think SE is going into solo content in the future. They already answered no with dynamis II and voidwatch. Nyzul has to be updated through rewards so that more people get interested. The entry requirement should stay the same.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 07-25-2011 at 12:49 AM.

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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Ask your friends to enter with you then use fireflies.
    And throw away an assault tag? Why should they have to do that?

    Once they're in, they may as well stay in and get the tokens. It shouldn't be a requirement to bring them in the first place.

    If I want to go fight Super Badass Monster by myself and lose, it should be my choice.
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    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    And throw away an assault tag? Why should they have to do that?
    Because you would throw one away to make them enter their assault ¿
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    You're making absolutely no sense. if I want to solo golden salvage, then its not a waste of my assault tag. If other people are just there as bodies to fill the party, they are wasting their tag just to help me.
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    You are having a hard time understanding that if you want help you need to help in return. If you need help for your assault then you need to help them for another assault. Simple. If you need help for a nyzul floor you have to help them enter an assault. If you want help for Omega you need to help them for ultima. If you want arrapago remnant gear you need to halp them in silver sea. If you want Cerberus ZNM drops, you need to help them on hydra. If you want Duelists's chapeau you need to help them for ass. armlets. If you want them to PL your DRG till 30 you need to PL their PUP till 30. If you want them to help on this mission you need to help them on that mission. Helping each other 101. Playing an MMO 101. Try it. Cooperation is needed for game balance.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 07-25-2011 at 03:05 AM.

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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    You are having a hard time understanding that if you want help you need to help in return.
    You're having a hard time understanding that I DON'T want help for things where I don't NEED help. Again: Why should I be forced to bring friends along when they don't need to come and would probably rather be doing something else?

    I fully understand how helping others helps you. But there are times when you need help, and times when you don't. It should be up to the player, not the game, to decide when help is needed.

    Cooperation should be promoted by offering challenges that necessitate it, not by SE deciding "OK, for this event you need 10 people, whether or not 10 is enough to actually accomplish the task". Many assaults and other level 75-cap events no longer offer that challenge, and thus should no longer require the same number of people to participate.

    Cooperation should be encouraged, but not forced.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 07-25-2011 at 03:36 AM.

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