The utterly Pointless Tenuto and Maiden's Virelai, what else is comming?

[Geebee]

having played BRD for 6 years now I was hoping and praying the SE would finally help us BRD's out with some decent JA's or even some pimping new moves, but sadly not! Maiden's Virelai is an utter joke, its is easily without question the most usless job abilty in the whole game, with 5/5 AF3+2 and I can charm a level 10 Mob for 20-30 seconds!!!!!!!! whoot ty SE, I have never used it or can see any possible situation where it "Might" be usefull and as for Tenuto I dont want to even talk about it

Where is the Ability to stay static and cast party buffs from one person like curega, Pianissimo was fine before abyssea, but it should be reducing the casting time of the songs at the same time, say you have 3 DD's, Pianissimo and 6 songs does not work not even the greatest BRD's cant cast 6 songs before the 1st one has worn off, BRD was one of my favorite jobs al'la 75 but now it just seems like you have forgotten us, please dont gimp us any more then you have SE I beg you

[Yinnyth]

having played BRD for 6 years now I was hoping and praying the SE would finally help us BRD's out with some decent JA's or even some pimping new moves, but sadly not! Maiden's Virelai is an utter joke, its is easily without question the most usless job abilty in the whole game, with 5/5 AF3+2 and I can charm a level 10 Mob for 20-30 seconds!!!!!!!! whoot ty SE, I have never used it or can see any possible situation where it "Might" be usefull

1. It's a song, not a job ability.
2. Base duration is 30 seconds, recast is 1 minute long. With gjallarhorn, af3 body+2, and af3 neck, it will last 45 seconds long, and with 50% haste, it will have a recast of 30 seconds meaning you can keep it up indefinately.
3. BRD wasn't exactly meant to control other creatures well, that realm belongs to BST.
4. Charming stuff sucks in general, just ask any BST. Or yourself if you happen to be one.

please dont gimp us any more then you have SE I beg you

Wait, what? You don't honestly believe that, do you? Please elaborate. What is it about bards that make them gimps? I've never been excluded from groups just because I'm a bard, have you?

[detlef]

Just a note, offensive songs are not affected by Daurdabla or empyrean body/neck. Base duration is 30 seconds which can be extended up to 39 seconds with Ghorn.

The most use I got out of Virelai was doing Ouryu. Hard to think of any other situations where it'd come in handy unless there was something both charmable and unsleepable. It would be fun if it had a longer duration though.

[Thunderlips]

The most use I got out of Virelai was doing Ouryu. Hard to think of any other situations where it'd come in handy unless there was something both charmable and unsleepable. It would be fun if it had a longer duration though.

I used it at bird camp as a free ride home. Charm bird > unequip all gear > have your pt kill you = free death warp. It could also be used to PK people at bird camp if competition was fierce but that could backfire and get you or your party killed as well.

[Defiledsickness]

i think the point of charm is to RUN AWAY! considering you have to make a very important decision about your subjob. nin= shadows +sneak/invis or mage=curing snk/inv. or lastly /blm for elemental seal leaving you completely vulnerable.

i dont think they ever wanted a brd to solo for xp

and tenuto is either so you can buff yourself with movespeed or something, or so that if the healer needs to run in range his ballads stay up. (tenuto+reraise so you can buff the dd's next to khimera :P)

[Creelo]

having played BRD for 6 years now I was hoping and praying the SE would finally help us BRD's out with some decent JA's or even some pimping new moves, but sadly not! Maiden's Virelai is an utter joke, its is easily without question the most usless job abilty in the whole game, with 5/5 AF3+2 and I can charm a level 10 Mob for 20-30 seconds!!!!!!!! whoot ty SE, I have never used it or can see any possible situation where it "Might" be usefull and as for Tenuto I dont want to even talk about it

Where is the Ability to stay static and cast party buffs from one person like curega, Pianissimo was fine before abyssea, but it should be reducing the casting time of the songs at the same time, say you have 3 DD's, Pianissimo and 6 songs does not work not even the greatest BRD's cant cast 6 songs before the 1st one has worn off, BRD was one of my favorite jobs al'la 75 but now it just seems like you have forgotten us, please dont gimp us any more then you have SE I beg you

So much is wrong with this post.

As it's been said before, Virelai can last up to 36-39 seconds (or double with Troubadour, which is actually pretty nice) with the proper instrument.

Also, Virelai's acc is pretty much like landing lullaby (granted if you use Cythara Anglica +1, the acc will be lower due to being a string instrument), but anyways, it's pretty easy to land this song even on the new VT+ mobs that were recently introduced (Ex: The new VT mobs in the Basement of Garlaige Citadel) Honestly, this is quite fun/useful for certain solo opportunities since it's not very hard to hit max recast on Virelai.

As for Tenuto, this ability is about 100 times more useful than Pianissimo and is only limited by its 15 second recast timer (just like Pianissimo). Unless you only have one Tank/DD that you have to be buffing, Pianissimo is just useless. Pianissimo can be nice though if you have a Rng or stray DD like Sam in your pt (Voidwatch sorta comes to mind) to give them Minuets.

Tenuto is amazing simply for the ability to give yourself Ballad that can't be overwritten by other songs you'll give to your DD/Tanks. If you aren't using your MP as Brd when /whm, giving Cures/Haste/Status cures/SS/etc., you're doing it wrong.

Also, if you're full-timing 5/5 AF3+2, you're doing it very wrong... <_< And if you think there's a bonus to casting debuffs in 5/5 AF3+2, there isn't lol

EDIT: If SE would reduce the recast timers on Pianissimo/Tenuto to like 10 seconds at least... that would be fabulous! >.<

[Defiledsickness]

i can use pianissimo all day long and i never have an issue with its recast time. maybe i need more haste :P

[Creelo]

i can use pianissimo all day long and i never have an issue with its recast time. maybe i need more haste :P

First, haste has NOTHING to do with Pianissimo.

I'm assuming you probably meant Fast Cast/Song casting time-% gear, which you probably could use considering you don't have a set for that on your AH profile.

You need to include more in your post if you ever want to be constructive.

How many people are you buffing with pianissimo songs?

One Person is completely managable, although with Daurdabla it can definitely start becoming annoying by the third song. As soon as you throw a second person in there that requires 2 or more Pianissimo songs, then the problem easily arises.

Imo, a good Brd should just put up their songs and move on to other supportive roles (Curing/Hasting/-nas/Debuffing/etc.)

Nowadays, in Abyssea you should have multiple DDs that generally will want the same thing (95% of time, March x2, Daurdabla's third song greatly adds to the variety though lol). If for some reason you ever brought a Pld, they'd still want March x2, etc. Outside of Abyssea, it's pretty much the same thing to, and you'll hardly ever have just ONE person to buff that's engaged to the mob.

Once you have two people engaged on the mob, it's just easier to give yourself Tenuto'd Ballads/whatever, and just run in between TP moves to give the 2 or more DD/Tanks their two/three buff songs.

Overall, I'm not saying Pianissimo is bad, I'm just saying it's not really as useful as Tenuto because it's so situational. When it comes to general buffing nowadays, Tenuto is the way to go.

As for the recast timers, I only really get frustrated with Pianissimo's timer when there would be a need to cast several Pianissimo songs (especially while under Night/Troub due to the 1min buffing time). Of course, situations like this almost never happen though... and it's usually just easier to use Tenuto before Night/Troub so you can use Tenuto immediately again after buffing the mages with the first Ballad, so you don't have to worry about overwriting your songs as you buff the DDs/Tanks...

Sorry for another long post, but I guess the last thing that I feel I should say is that if you as a Brd are buffing multiple DDs with Pianissimo songs just so you can stay outta range of TP moves, when you could just as easily go inside range to give them ALL buffs at the same time... You're doing it wrong! >.< If the TP moves are really THAT bad, just cast in between as well; not to mention Brds can already cast their songs at alarmingly fast rates now with proper gear! >.<

[Yinnyth]

i can use pianissimo all day long and i never have an issue with its recast time. maybe i need more haste :P

And cure potency. You might need more cure potency too.

Seriously though, recast on pianissimo and tenuto should be dropped down to 5 seconds.

[Vortex]

So much is wrong with this post.
Also, if you're full-timing 5/5 AF3+2, you're doing it very wrong... <_< And if you think there's a bonus to casting debuffs in 5/5 AF3+2, there isn't lol

Excuse me, do you mind explaing what is "very wrong" with that exactly? the head is the only "off" peice of that entire set and since skills cap at some point, what exactly is wrong with casting anything in 4/5 or 5/5 AF3+2 set, Nothing is better then hands, nothing is better then legs nothing is better then feet. nothing is better then body, the only excption to hands is the casting time hands before song goes off, only thing i can think of for head is demon's helm, marduk tiara, but that is why i'm asking because as i said, even if you have singing and wind merits, what else would you possibly use if you're already at the skill cap?

Tho i am not sure what CHR and singing caps at for buffs/debuffs ( i assume 600 combined skill)