ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Atomic_Skull]

I was simply pointing out that if everything is even, torcleaver does not come out ahead

But it will never be even unless you specifically adjust your gear sets for some inexplicable reason because you want Torcleaver to do less damage.


Torcleaver is Damage varies with TP, Scourge isn't. You're never going to WS at exactly 100% TP with Torcleaver, especially not with 50% haste 77% of the time. In addition, Torcleaver gains a damage bonus from a Moonshade Earring with TP Bonus+25, Scourge does not.

Also, Caladbolg comes with +15 VIT built in.

And, if it's true that the emp WS have a cRatio bonus then that puts them further ahead.

[wish12oz]

Torcleaver is Damage varies with TP, Scourge isn't. You're never going to WS at exactly 100% TP with Torcleaver, especially not with 50% haste 77% of the time. In addition, Torcleaver gains a damage bonus from a Moonshade Earring with TP Bonus+25, Scourge does not.

Also, Caladbolg comes with +15 VIT built in.

Because you're not suppose to get regain on moonshade cause thats gimp! Actually I cant say that, Im not sure whats required to 6 hit either weapon, cause I never looked into it, but I imagine tp bonus is not the appropriate thing to get even if your only job is DRK.

And Ragnarok comes with 35 acc built in! Better hope you never have to fight anything evasive like those pesky voidwatch mobs, or you're gonna wish you had the ac.

Show me the sets you were using for both WS's and lots of SS's or parses when you reply again, thanks.

[Atomic_Skull]

And Ragnarok comes with 35 acc built in! Better hope you never have to fight anything evasive like those pesky voidwatch mobs, or you're gonna wish you had the ac.

the Vampyre is evasive because it's a THF, the other ones aren't really. And no I'm not going to identify myself by posting what gear I have on top of what people already know. I don't care if you don't like it.

[wish12oz]

the Vampyre is evasive because it's a THF, the other ones aren't really. And no I'm not going to identify myself by posting what gear I have on top of what people already know. I don't care if you don't like it.

So basically, you've proven you don't know what to use for WS gear, and you refuse to give any concrete info about........ anything at all, we're all just suppose to believe you that torcleaver is better?

That is so stupid I don't even know how to respond to you anymore.

[Kimble]

Yeah, sorry, why believe someone who hides and cant even take screen shots of their gear they are using and proof of said damage, not like you cant edit your name out

[Greatguardian]

Theoretical gear sets would be ideal anyways, as there are no limitations based on what someone has or doesn't have. It does not encroach on one's privacy to build a gear set in FFXIAH and then just copy/paste the names of the armor/weapon into text form. If FFXIgear still existed, that would work too.

[wish12oz]

It does not encroach on one's privacy to build a gear set in FFXIAH and then just copy/paste the names of the armor/weapon into text form.

But the point is that they cannot do that, because torcleaver barely has a better WS set then scourge, and their whole arguement is that torcleaver has way better gear. The basic differance is torcleaver uses valk breastplate with 3% TA, jingjang boots, and maybe jingjang pants, while scourge uses twilight mail, and af3+2 pants/boots. Other then that I imagine the rest of the gear is the same.
twilight hat, ele gorget/belt, drk earring, brutal earring, statx7 ring, atheling mantle, those 13 str gloves, bomb core, pole grip, right?
Anyway, with those gear sets the differance between WS's will be about nothing, and I'd bet those are really really close to optimal, if not optimal. As I said I don't have these weapons so I never looked into it at all. Also you need to account for the fact that Ragnarok does have higher base damage, and that ODD from relics can proc during WS, so if anything, scourge should win.

[Zeroth]

Wish is clearly trolling all of you, and in any case SE has already stated that relics and mythics are broken so why even argue?

[wish12oz]

Wish is clearly trolling all of you, and in any case SE has already stated that relics and mythics are broken so why even argue?

When did providing math to back up what you say become trolling?

[Atomic_Skull]

ODD from relics can proc during WS

ODD cannot proc during WS on relics, this was proven years ago. Now we know you don't know what you are talking about.