Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Randwolf]

Considering I have zero respect for the FFXI community (and it's enablement and inclusion of cheaters), that's no real surprise.

Then what are you doing on here? Do us all a favor and shut the f*** up and GO AWAY TROLL! *rolls eyes*

My thought exactly. Talk about an egotistical attitude: "I have no respect for you but you better pay attention to my opinions."

p.s. - Starcade, have you thought about sharing a flat with Charlie Sheen?

[Fiarlia]

p.s. - Starcade, have you thought about sharing a flat with Charlie Sheen?

XD

Best post in the entire thread.

[Luvbunny]

I understand the concerns on xp leechers, but it is a bit of a double edge sword. Once you taste the dominion xp party, it is really really hard to do xp party the normal pre-abby ways. It is just not very time efficient or rewarding at all. Granted SE is trying to fix this with the last update, but it could be a whole lot more. The game is no longer focusing on lvlng from 1-75 but more on getting you to 90 the fastest way possible so you can participate on gears hunting activities on abby (or any other endgame content from the pre-abby). If you think you learn a lot about your job on exp party, you are delusional. Normal xp party or abby alliance party does not teach you much about how to deal with NM battle. The best way to learn about your job is by doing a lot of these endgame battle since you really do have to know what to do, which vary from NMs to NMs. Often in normal xp party set up, you pretty much do the same 2-3 things over and over, and in the case of melees, 1 thing over and over.

[Starcade]

My thought exactly. Talk about an egotistical attitude: "I have no respect for you but you better pay attention to my opinions."

p.s. - Starcade, have you thought about sharing a flat with Charlie Sheen?

No. I think that would be more your speed.

And, BTW, thank you for proving WHY I don't respect the player-base.

[Randwolf]

Deleted my own post. Not worth the time debating someone without a grip on reality.

[Starcade]

Deleted my own post. Not worth the time debating someone without a grip on reality.

Why don't you just admit it and say "Not worth the time debating someone who won't kiss my royal behind."?

[Starcade]

i know him well enough to know he will not stop and he will not go. im not gonna debate against him hes 1 off the poeple who thinks besieged is not ment for skillups

No, it's not.

It's something Square-Enix needs to address as another abuse the players have inflicted upon the game.

[valdus]

OK just felt i should give another aspect on this. leeching is gonna happen regardless if it's abbysea, smnburning, or just pty leeching. the problem with abbysea is that it has made it so easy that it's gotten crazy. now regardless of how you lvl you're gonna learn how to play the job- be it in ptys or spending time skilling up (which you're gonna have to do if you leech 30+ lvls). granted a leeched player will never be quite as good at the job but they will understand enough to not bring a pty/alliance down. the real problem that this has done to the game is the lack of gear selection available on the auction house for lower lvls. with the amount of leeching ppl don't craft lower lvl gear and a vast majority of the top gear is crafted. now someone tell me how a new player is gonna have 90+ skill lvl in any craft at lvl 30? if the lvl limit was increased then ppl would have to lvl there jobs the old fashioned way- thereby increasing the amount of low lvl gear needed and available. i admit that i like to lvl the old fashioned way and so do many other ppl- it's not fair to that part of the population that our choice to not leech is halted simply because of the unavailability of gear.

also just to point this out- abbysea was intended to be an end-game thing. and since all other end-game things require you to be rank 6 and/or lvl 65+, wouldn't it make sense to put those same restrictions on abbysea?

[odomspa]

people hit 30 think it's abysessa time, they do not want to xp in regular party anymore 70 is a good level to start abyssea

[Icestein]

This whole thread is based on a false dichotomy. Do people really think that if leeching stops that there will suddenly be hundreds of people LFP from the levels of 30-70? There will not.