Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

The better the group, the more you lose w/ a smn. The worse the group, the less you lose.

If your typical group consists of bad players, then I agree for your particular scenario

In any average group of average people, you don't lose anything. It's only when you reach the elitist tier when you might lose anything.

[Cream_Soda]

In any average group of average people, you don't lose anything. It's only when you reach the elitist tier when you might lose anything.

Nah, doesn't have to be elite. More like anything above average. A pt w/ ppl w/ somewhat decent gear and not skilling up their weapon in your group, w/ a mage that can keep buffs up.

[Alhanelem]

I'll be that mage keeping buffs up, thanks.

It's easy when your haste lasts 66% longer and hits everyone at once.

800 posts later and all we've learned is that elitists hate summoners. Even the gay marriage thread didn't go on this long.

[Razushu]

I'll be that mage keeping buffs up, thanks.

^This.

This argument passed futile and is bordering on the ridiculous now the 1%'ers aren't gonna change their minds any more than us SMNs are. Let's face it these 2 groups will probably never have much interaction in game if at all you won't play with us we won't play with you so why don't we all take our respective toys and move to seperate corners of the playground.

[Aurara]

We aren't saying we hate SMN, is that so hard to understand? CS is saying that Hastega doesn't benefit the melees, since a competent mage can keep 3-4 DDs hasted easily.

[Cream_Soda]

ITT: The idea of a whm being able to keep a DD pt hasted is elitest

[Razushu]

We aren't saying we hate SMN, is that so hard to understand? CS is saying that Hastega doesn't benefit the melees, since a competent mage can keep 3-4 DDs hasted easily.

I know you aren't. If haste was all a SMN can bring to a party then you MAY have had a point but we add much more haste is just one thing we can do

[Cream_Soda]

I know you aren't. If haste was all a SMN can bring to a party then you MAY have had a point but we add much more haste is just one thing we can do

and what we're saying is that what a lot of other jobs can bring to the pt is more valuable than what smn has to offer.

[Razushu]

ITT: The idea of a whm being able to keep a DD pt hasted is elitest

No but believing a setup needs to be in the top say 5% to a great success is.

[Alhanelem]

We aren't saying we hate SMN, is that so hard to understand? CS is saying that Hastega doesn't benefit the melees, since a competent mage can keep 3-4 DDs hasted easily.

Even an incompetent summoner can keep all 6 party members hasted easily, with no thought process or cycle required.