Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Korpg]

Don't worry, this thread will be locked very soon.

[Cream_Soda]

What was the first post on this thread? It certainly wasn't about the topic on hand, or even something that was being talked about for the last 50 pages.

My assumptions were right on the money, wasn't it? You came here to cause problems, because that is what you are known for. Sure, you actually give some good advice when asked, but nobody asked you anything at all, and you still had to bring your nose into something that did not affect you.

I never claimed my first post was about the current topic in the past few pages. I said I've made posts which contribute to that conversation. Learn to read. My first post was to correct a mistake a saw and provide additional information based on what I quoted. Am I going to read 600+ posts to see if someone already addressed you? No sir. If you expected me to, tough luck. I saw some of the jobs I posted mentioned in the few posts I did read, but not all of the jobs I mentioned.


As far as nobody asking me anything, I don't really care. Again, tough luck. Become a moderator and then you can tell me where I can post and what I can post about. Until then, your opinion on that matter is irrelevant to me.

[Dallas]

We have come from "WAR are 5x as good as SMN" to "How dare you count your best buff when any mage could do it over a longer period of time and for more mp!"

I call that progress.

[Cream_Soda]

We have come from "WAR are 5x as good as SMN" to "How dare you count your best buff when any mage could do it over a longer period of time and for more mp!"

I call that progress.

It's more like
No smn in your pt = everyone has haste
Smn in your pt = everyone has haste

Whether or not the smn is there, everyone has the exact same amount of haste.

[Razushu]

It's more like
No smn in your pt = everyone has haste
Smn in your pt = everyone has haste

Whether or not the smn is there, everyone has the exact same amount of haste.

If the WHM is hasting the group, and SMN brings more than haste to a group

[Alhanelem]

Whether or not the smn is there, everyone has the exact same amount of haste.

Assuming that whoever hast he haste spell is consistently casting it on everyone before their haste timers are up so that no one is ever without it for a second, which is really extremely unlikely. More likely than not, the haster is skipping one or two people that don't "need" it, whereas SMN doesn't have that problem. Everybody gets it easily with minimal effort and no one gets left out.

[Cream_Soda]

If the WHM is hasting the group, and SMN brings more than haste to a group

A) Why wouldn't the whm be hasting the group?
B) that'd be the same thing as if I were saying "If the smn decides to hastega the group"

You're trying to compare a bad whm to what you think a good smn is.

If you're comparing, compare a good smn to a good whm and a bad smn to a bad whm

So if the whm isn't hasting, comparison wise, why is the smn hasting?

And yes, the smn brings more than haste to the group, but what is it bringing that outweighs putting another job in its place?

[Cream_Soda]

Assuming that whoever hast he haste spell is consistently casting it on everyone before their haste timers are up so that no one is ever without it for a second, which is really extremely unlikely. More likely than not, the haster is skipping one or two people that don't "need" it, whereas SMN doesn't have that problem. Everybody gets it easily with minimal effort and no one gets left out.

My previous post applies to this as well.

[Greatguardian]

Assuming that whoever hast he haste spell is consistently casting it on everyone before their haste timers are up so that no one is ever without it for a second, which is really extremely unlikely. More likely than not, the haster is skipping one or two people that don't "need" it, whereas SMN doesn't have that problem. Everybody gets it easily with minimal effort and no one gets left out.

Wait, what? Since when is that extremely unlikely? Every WHM does that. Even those without Windower/Yarnball access can base their Haste cycles off the Vanadiel clock. 1 hour = 2 minutes 30 seconds. Cast at :00 or something you'll remember, and recast every :00 afterwards.

[Alhanelem]

So if the whm isn't hasting, comparison wise, why is the smn hasting?

Because too many WHMs suck at their jobs?

Wait, what? Since when is that extremely unlikely? Every WHM does that.

You'd be suprised at how untrue that is. (It's difficult to have high standards when those high standards eliminate too many people to play with)

Yes, it's a sign of a bad WHM, but seriously. hastega eliminates any possibility of someone not getting haste, and requires less maintenance due to longer duration and everyone's effect timer starting and ending at the same time. Honestly, if you want to ignore everything this thread was originally about and invite a summoner to cure and buff, Why not do that if cure V/VI are not really needed? The SMN has more buffs than the WHM. The only thing that's really inferior is curing power.