Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Dallas]

Says you, you're the first to mention SMN melee in a while

As someone who has used the stupid "TP feed" argument to fill over a dozen posts now, you should know that's referring to a SMN that actually deals damage, not that feeble attempt of yours.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Summary of this page: No one likes a jack of trades when you have enough specialists to fulfill the roles they can.

We're making progress!

Is there anything in the game that does less damage than Smn meeleeing bar Sch? If it's Nuking you're facing stiff competition from jobs that don't have a 45 second timer on their nukes minus pld/drk.

[Korpg]

Can someone edit the lolwiki then, cause it's still saying Earthern Ward is vastly inferior to Stoneskin.

Yes please.

I have not done the actual math of it, but I know absorbs more damage than 230.

[Greatguardian]

Summary of this page: No one likes a jack of trades.

BS

Also I'm getting sick of your overuse of the word "handily"

I like the word handily. We've already looked at SMN's damage. Do I really need to go make a spreadsheet for WHM's now too? Hexa Strike is a 7-hit Critical-based WS with STR and MND mods. It is an absolute beast. And the best part is WHM can take advantage of Haste buffs.

Edit: Any time you want to argue about Damage ability, that's all I really should need to say. Haste buffs. Haste buffs. Haste buffs. Get Garuda some marches and we'll talk, buddy.

[Alhanelem]

And the best part is WHM can take advantage of Haste buffs.

Stop bringing up haste. Both jobs have native spell haste. If you can have marches, so can I. If you can have haste samba, so can I. The only citeable gap in haste is a small gap in gear haste.

I'll give you your Hexa, and won't argue that one. But for the love of all that's holy, stop pretending like SMN doesn't have its own haste spell or anything.

[Razushu]

As someone who has used the stupid "TP feed" argument to fill over a dozen posts now, you should know that's referring to a SMN that actually deals damage, not that feeble attempt of yours.

Saying TP feed repeatedly does not constitute argument unles you're 8yrs old

[Aurara]

But you still wont be as useful for dmg, as say an WAR NIN MNK DRG SAM COR PUP, etc

[Alhanelem]

Frankly I think the best thing to come out of this thread is acknowledgement of PUP being a decent DD now...

We're making progress!

Stop editing quotes. When a new page rolls over and you edit a quote, it makes it look like the person really wrote that.

SMN stomps SCH
SMN stomps a BLM in melee and isn't far off from a BLM that isn't suicidal
Due to lack of good weapon skills and no other real spike damage, SMN probably stomps RDM in melee mode. I suppose RDM could spam nukes and that might be better but that takes you to BLM suicide mode
SMN probably on around the same level with BRD

If there was no cap on BP delay minus, SMN would be more competitive in all roles.

[Dallas]

Point still stands, melee SMN still sucks, and your argument has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese.

It's still the reason why you aren't able to compare YOUR SMN, which hasn't showed up on the radar.

As far as I've seen, there has been no explanation of the following "mathies" flaws:

1) Why they think there is always a pt of exactly 6. Doesn't happen.
2) Why that non-existant pt always has 3 types of haste, only one healer and a WAR who subs /SAM. Doesn't happen.
3) Why a WAR with 80% haste is worried about the WHM running out of MP (in abyssea) instead of the WHM keeping up with heals.
4) Why they think that Ukon math extends to every DD with every weapon.
5) Why SMN being one of the buffers (and backup healers) counts for nothing, and that only DD matters.
6) Why it's OK for a WAR to drop /SAM to fight the claims in #5, as if it does nothing to their epeen setup in #2. They lose Hasso and their Haste Samba is half potency if they use it.
7) WARs are scared to death of the unbuffed maths. Why is that?

Saying TP feed repeatedly does not constitute argument unles you're 8yrs old

Says the "OH NO! 500 DAMAGE!" wimp!

[Neisan_Quetz]

What the hell did you just type?

Why wouldn't the War be /Sam?