Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

Its called Convert.

Convert has a 10 minute recast. Sorry, try again.

Convert isn't any faster than other sources of refresh overall, especailly when you consider the MP you spend recovering your HP. Let's say you have 1200 HP (Assuming you have more MP than HP). Convert gives you about 6MP/tick when you break it down.

you give up the opportunity to come another job to the same thing.

Oppertunity cost can go *#&^$ itself. Sometimes, it's not about who can do what the fastest. Jobs exist for variety. From an elitist technical level, they could remove 15 jobs from the game without compromising game balance or playability. You might be giving up a little bit of this or that by playing on this job instead of that one, but WHO CARES? JESUS, IT'S A GAME! HAVE FUN PLAYING IT AND STOP BEING SO SRS BSNSS!

Melee is more of a side grade than an improvement. Sure you do more damage personally but you lose out on the ability to buff properly and be a decent support role character.

You do NOT lose out on the ability to buff properly and support anyone. IT HELPS YOU! YOU ARE CLOSE TO EVERYONE, THEREFORE YOUR BUFFS WILL HIT EVERYONE! the whole point of Favor was an excuse to keep the avatar summoned. This synergizes perfectly with that! Your Blood Pact Wards will help everyone too, and do not hurt your damage as job abilities are quick. It's not a sidegrade. It's an improvement.

Full timing my perp/refresh set I save 240 MP a minute and gain an additional 40 which is a net gain of 280MP a minute so yes it would take me 5 minutes to gain back 1400MP.

You're only saving "240 MP a minute" over a naked summoner. Everyone has some perp and refresh, so really, it will take you even longer.

[Korpg]

Convert has a 10 minute recast. Sorry, try again.

Convert isn't any faster than other sources of refresh overall, especailly when you consider the MP you spend recovering your HP. Let's say you have 1200 HP (Assuming you have more MP than HP). Convert gives you about 6MP/tick when you break it down.

Ok, so, an instant cast MP recovery job ability, coupled by just either a few cures or a Lucid Potion II, is worthless compared to a WS that gives just as much back, but you have to get 300% TP to do so?

I'm not against you, but you seem to be taking a Dallas approach when it comes to people pointing out some flaws in your argument.

Besides, you must not have read the rest of the paragraph after that one little sentence. SMNs can ride out convert timers without having to desummon their avatar or melee for mp back.

[Razushu]

You do NOT lose out on the ability to buff properly and support anyone. IT HELPS YOU! YOU ARE CLOSE TO EVERYONE, THEREFORE YOUR BUFFS WILL HIT EVERYONE! the whole point of Favor was an excuse to keep the avatar summoned. This synergizes perfectly with that! Your Blood Pact Wards will help everyone too, and do not hurt your damage as job abilities are quick. It's not a sidegrade. It's an improvement.

You're only saving "240 MP a minute" over a naked summoner. Everyone has some perp and refresh, so really, it will take you even longer.

Why are you nitpicking over "My style gives more MP than your style" both styles give more MP than you can use EVER. It's a distinction WITHOUT a difference.

Again MP is a NON-ISSUE for either style please drop it so other aspects can be dealt with. Here's why with Garuda out I save(and I'm not saying this is all over a lolmelee) 240MP a minute gain 40MP too

This is 280MP a minute

over a 5 minute period I get

1400MP from perp/refresh set
204 for sublimation
490ish from Elemental Siphon

Thats 2094MP every 5 minutes.

I'm not saying this to point out how much more MP I get back over melee I'm sure it makes more MP. But this is more than a good SMN could use in a 5 minute period so MP management is not a reason to melee.

Favor is weak as hell only time I use it is with Carbuncle if I'm a healer. Ok cycle 4+ buff on your group and let me know how well you melee. Yeah I get that favor will hit everyone, But here's the dirty little secret you don't need to be there too so that's not a benefit inherent to SMN melee. Favor buffs are terrible they really are evasion up that resets every BP it's a non point. PLease be realistic in your claims I've said time and again yes SMN melee will do more damage personally BUT SMN support/DD will make the party do more damage and run smoother so yes it is a side grade.